On Lake Travis Peanut Incident - J Brooks, T Sweat recent tweets

[Weino]

Tvondre Sweat and Jonathon Brooks both posted links to the news article about the Lake Travis football players who put peanuts into an allergic player’s locker. Since they’re NFL bound, no downside for them to post their lack of support for the offer to Gus Cordova who was directly involved. Sweat and Brooks have all of my respect for speaking out. 

Edited February 20 by Weino

[Bobby Burton]

I think folks who feel like Sark and Co. didn’t do their homework on this are misplaced.

Not saying I’m one way or the other on it, but there’s a reason Lake Travis did not pursue further action. There are clearly two sides to this story  

 

[Beast Texas]

@Bobby Burton would it be fair to think the staff did their homework and Sweat, Brooks, and K-Rob tweeting it out is a bubble of the kids disagreeing with the staff? It just feels weird that they would be tweeting about it in unison if there wasn't something to it from a player's perspective. You'd have to assume they could and would go to Sark privately first.

[closetojumping]

I'm waiting for Cordova to show up for an unofficial visit in a wheelchair and immediately accept a scholarship offer. I love can't miss Lake Travis takes. They always work out really well.

[TTown]

Disagree on this one should have never been offered. He won't end up a Horn and bad look on the staff imo. Bet these aren't the only players that feel this way period.

[Bobby Burton]

40 minutes ago, TTown said:

Disagree on this one should have never been offered. He won't end up a Horn and bad look on the staff imo. Bet these aren't the only players that feel this way period.

How well do you really know the situation?

[TTown]

Quite a bit actually not just from every media report but someone in the LT community as well. We can agree to disagree here no problem, but imo it stinks to high heaven. You have big name former players tweeting on this, and I know for a fact a couple of current players aren't happy about the offer. 

I try to be fair this just hits me the wrong way with what I know. We will see but I suspect more is to come despite the fact to whitewash the incident. Just my opinion.

[Bobby Burton]

Some believe the mother of the player is on a crusade with this. My wife probably would be too if it were our son.

However, it is my understanding that Cordova and others cleaned out the peanuts immediately following being told that the player could actually die from an interaction and also before the player actually put anything on.

However, the player still got hives afterward because of the residue.

Still, the player did not have a major reaction. He got hives. The player who got hives then played in a football game later that night.

His parents didn’t even know it had happened until several days later.

Folks at Lake Travis and officers looked into this and deemed two things: 1) they suspended Cordova for 2-3 games and 2) did not pursue further charges after interviewing all involved.

Again, I am NOT choosing sides. I am putting this out there because both sides should be heard.

People should not condemn Cordova when others, who have and are privy to more info than we are, have decided otherwise.

I’m not going any further on this. Far be it from me to be judge and jury on something I know little about.

 

 

[Weino]

12 minutes ago, Bobby Burton said:

Some believe the mother of the player is on a crusade with this. My wife probably would be too if it were our son.

However, it is my understanding that Cordova and others cleaned out the peanuts immediately following being told that the player could actually die from an interaction and also before the player actually put anything on.

However, the player still got hives afterward because of the residue.

Still, the player did not have a major reaction. He got hives. The player who got hives then played in a football game later that night.

His parents didn’t even know it had happened until several days later.

Folks at Lake Travis and officers looked into this and deemed two things: 1) they suspended Cordova for 2-3 games and 2) did not pursue further charges after interviewing all involved.

Again, I am NOT choosing sides. I am putting this out there because both sides should be heard.

People should not condemn Cordova when others, who have and are privy to more info than we are, have decided otherwise.

I’m not going any further on this. Far be it from me to be judge and jury on something I know little about.

 

 

So, because the players got caught before it went too far that makes it better? Intent is just as bad even when the results aren’t as bad. I understand you’re being impartial to the situation, but those kids are lucky the other kid didn’t have an even worse reaction. Just because someone else caught their mess up before it went too far doesn’t make their actions any better, regardless of their punishment. Yes kids make mistakes, but I don’t think most kids go this far. 
 

I agree both sides should be heard, but it looks pretty bad from the info out there so far. Just seems to me that it would be just as easy to recruit someone else instead of this kid. 

Edited February 20 by Weino

[TTown]

I'll leave it at this. We all can see it differently. This doesn't sound like cleaning up

[Bobby Burton]

9 minutes ago, Weino said:

So, because the players got caught before it went too far that makes it better? Intent is just as bad even when the results aren’t as bad. I understand you’re being impartial to the situation, but those kids are lucky the other kid didn’t have an even worse reaction. Just because someone else caught their mess up before it went too far doesn’t make their actions any better, regardless of their punishment. Yes kids make mistakes, but I don’t think most kids go this far. 
 

I agree both sides should be heard, but it looks pretty bad from the info out there so far. Just seems to me that it would be just as easy to recruit someone else instead of this kid. 

No one’s absolving him of wrongdoing. I’m certainly not.

He had intent and then he also had intent to change course.

Yes, it could have been worse. It wasn’t though.

The school and authorities looked into this and decided it did not bear criminal charges.

[Bobby Burton]

3 minutes ago, TTown said:

I'll leave it at this. We all can see it differently. This doesn't sound like cleaning up

I’m not going to go further on this.

I know what I’ve been told. Furthermore, what I’ve been told is in line with why Cordova did not get more severely punished.

Again, he was wrong. Very wrong. But I am told authorities did not pursue this further for a reason and it had zero to do with his ability as a football player.

(To be clear, I did not get this from anyone at UT.)

[Neil Leininger]

I just don't understand why a team leader would do such a horrible thing. The locker room is a scared place and even if he corrected course the damage was already done. Cordova's initial reaction to the news that his teammate had a peanut alergy was to go out of his way to do him harm. It's really sad. Cordova deserves a 2nd chance, but not at UT.

[justwinbaby]

If Cordova has been punished and learned his lesson, time to move on.  What happened has happened and if there is contrition and remorse, forgive and not forget.  No reason for any to just throw someone out for something bad, and it’s not good.

Does anyone want forgiveness for anything dumb they did as a teenager?  No one is pure as the wind blown snow.

[pinkman_90]

1 hour ago, Bobby Burton said:

Some believe the mother of the player is on a crusade with this. My wife probably would be too if it were our son.

However, it is my understanding that Cordova and others cleaned out the peanuts immediately following being told that the player could actually die from an interaction and also before the player actually put anything on.

However, the player still got hives afterward because of the residue.

Still, the player did not have a major reaction. He got hives. The player who got hives then played in a football game later that night.

His parents didn’t even know it had happened until several days later.

Folks at Lake Travis and officers looked into this and deemed two things: 1) they suspended Cordova for 2-3 games and 2) did not pursue further charges after interviewing all involved.

Again, I am NOT choosing sides. I am putting this out there because both sides should be heard.

People should not condemn Cordova when others, who have and are privy to more info than we are, have decided otherwise.

I’m not going any further on this. Far be it from me to be judge and jury on something I know little about.

 

 

He was absolutely not suspended 2-3 games.  He was “suspended” for 1 game and was still dressed out to use in case of emergency.

And your (or your sources?) description of the events are far off from what I’ve heard

[TTown]

Xavier Worthy just reposted this. It is getting a lot of looks on Twitter and trust me the comments are not good. Maybe one time the players have it right and the coaches may have been mistaken here. 

And for the record the Athletic Department made the decision on the punishment or so called punishment. A bullying investigation wasn't started until the School Board meeting and media got involved. The fix was in imo. Prediction if offer isn't pulled it will fade away in the sunset. I'm done on this!

[Hashtag]

7 hours ago, Bobby Burton said:

I think folks who feel like Sark and Co. didn’t do their homework on this are misplaced.

Not saying I’m one way or the other on it, but there’s a reason Lake Travis did not pursue further action. There are clearly two sides to this story  

 

LT and those around there did a good job of sweeping this under rug and keeping it quiet. You would have had to known to know if that makes sense. 
 

it’s also not a good look of the prospects mom threatening people on the internet with lawsuits because they’re mentioning her sons name or recruiting profile when talking about this. 

Edited February 21 by Hashtag

[horns96]

This is one of the weirdest chapters ever in Texas recruiting.  I can't get my head around the passions this has evoked.

We had a basketball recruit and eventual player charged with sexual assault that caused less outrage.

[512Horn]

44 minutes ago, horns96 said:

This is one of the weirdest chapters ever in Texas recruiting.  I can't get my head around the passions this has evoked.

We had a basketball recruit and eventual player charged with sexual assault that caused less outrage.

Yep. Very bizarre. 

[Chewie]

6 hours ago, Bobby Burton said:

Some believe the mother of the player is on a crusade with this. My wife probably would be too if it were our son.

However, it is my understanding that Cordova and others cleaned out the peanuts immediately following being told that the player could actually die from an interaction and also before the player actually put anything on.

However, the player still got hives afterward because of the residue.

Still, the player did not have a major reaction. He got hives. The player who got hives then played in a football game later that night.

His parents didn’t even know it had happened until several days later.

Folks at Lake Travis and officers looked into this and deemed two things: 1) they suspended Cordova for 2-3 games and 2) did not pursue further charges after interviewing all involved.

Again, I am NOT choosing sides. I am putting this out there because both sides should be heard.

People should not condemn Cordova when others, who have and are privy to more info than we are, have decided otherwise.

I’m not going any further on this. Far be it from me to be judge and jury on something I know little about.

 

 

Exactly. It was a stupid thing to do but no one ended up getting hurt. We’re not gonna ruin some 18-year-old kids life over this.

Nobody on here needs to be the judge, jury, or executioner. The real courts decided not to pursue it. And if there is civil litigation down the line between parents and school district, then so be it.  Thats a private matter.

I think most people did really dumb stuff when they were young.  You were also lucky that there was no permanent damage from those mistakes.

Unless someone on here was personally affected by the incident, then let it go.  Was a shitty situation all around. Just learn and move on.

[Hornmatic]

That criminal charges were not pursued seems quite irrelevant to me. Everyone agrees on the basic facts of the case and they’re not good in the best of light. 

Programs evaluate, downgraded, and back off recruitments for character related issues all the time, very few of which have anything to do with criminality.

Sark has tirelessly worked to build and maintain a strong culture with high character kids. This incident is obviously a bright red flag.  

Edited February 21 by Hornmatic

[SamMan]

2 hours ago, horns96 said:

This is one of the weirdest chapters ever in Texas recruiting.  I can't get my head around the passions this has evoked.

We had a basketball recruit and eventual player charged with sexual assault that caused less outrage.

Maybe it has to do with the fact that football is the epitome of a team game, and this kid literally went out of his way to intentionally jeopardize the life and wellbeing of a member of his own team from within the four walls of the team’s locker room. It’s not an off-the-field issue, it’s an in-the-f’ing-facility issue. The idea that he would be actively recruited to join the Longhorn program knowing full well that he does not deny or dispute the details of what he did to his fellow teammate, whose only crime, mind you, was that he simply had the misfortune of developing a food allergy and was candid about his condition to people who needed to know, can be jarring to people.

Seriously, he asked the victim if he could die from exposure, the victim confirmed, he immediately decided to see for himself, and acted upon that decision. That’s not petty tomfoolery, that’s a character flaw bordering on sociopathy. The fact that the victim was singled out because of his unique condition, something he had as much hand in choosing as his own race, increases the depravity. The intent is what’s relevant, not the result. The kid could have died, and he knew that. Btw, people expressed similar concern with Morris. There is no false equivalency here, and it’s lazy to assert that narrative.

Frankly, I propose that we introduce this Cordova chap to Colin Simmons, and have him explain why he thinks (largely) genetically-based disorders are a joke, and why he thinks exploiting the specific vulnerabilities that arise as a result of those disorders, for his own amusement, is cool. Maybe we can have Marquise Goodwin, and, say, Andrew Jones sit in on the conversation, as well.

Something tells me that loser would have kicked Freddie’s crutches in this famous photo for the lulz:

CTJ is correct, the next LT recruit to become a net positive for the program will be the first. Let him go elsewhere. He won’t be the first one to take his talents to some other school (including some who started out at UT). Hell, maybe Baker can counsel him on how NOT to evade the police.

If you are surprised by the fact that people care passionately about children with disabilities being bullied and not rewarding the perpetrators of such actions…well, you would fit right in with the Boston Bruins (and Arizona Coyotes) brass:

Bruins Cut Ties with Bully They Signed

*Note: Imma really needs to add the 🖕option to this site for trash like @jkatespost, just sayin’ @Bobby Burton. 

[pinkman_90]

4 hours ago, SamMan said:

Maybe it has to do with the fact that football is the epitome of a team game, and this kid literally went out of his way to intentionally jeopardize the life and wellbeing of a member of his own team from within the four walls of the team’s locker room. It’s not an off-the-field issue, it’s an in-the-f’ing-facility issue. The idea that he would be actively recruited to join the Longhorn program knowing full well that he does not deny or dispute the details of what he did to his fellow teammate, whose only crime, mind you, was that he simply had the misfortune of developing a food allergy and was candid about his condition to people who needed to know, can be jarring to people.

Seriously, he asked the victim if he could die from exposure, the victim confirmed, he immediately decided to see for himself, and acted upon that decision. That’s not petty tomfoolery, that’s a character flaw bordering on sociopathy. The fact that the victim was singled out because of his unique condition, something he had as much hand in choosing as his own race, increases the depravity. The intent is what’s relevant, not the result. The kid could have died, and he knew that. Btw, people expressed similar concern with Morris. There is no false equivalency here, and it’s lazy to assert that narrative.

Frankly, I propose that we introduce this Cordova chap to Colin Simmons, and have him explain why he thinks (largely) genetically-based disorders are a joke, and why he thinks exploiting the specific vulnerabilities that arise as a result of those disorders, for his own amusement, is cool. Maybe we can have Marquise Goodwin, and, say, Andrew Jones sit in on the conversation, as well.

Something tells me that loser would have kicked Freddie’s crutches in this famous photo for the lulz:

CTJ is correct, the next LT recruit to become a net positive for the program will be the first. Let him go elsewhere. He won’t be the first one to take his talents to some other school (including some who started out at UT). Hell, maybe Baker can counsel him on how NOT to evade the police.

If you are surprised by the fact that people care passionately about children with disabilities being bullied and not rewarding the perpetrators of such actions…well, you would fit right in with the Boston Bruins (and Arizona Coyotes) brass:

Bruins Cut Ties with Bully They Signed

*Note: Imma really needs to add the 🖕option to this site for trash like @jkatespost, just sayin’ @Bobby Burton. 

Allergy awareness has gotten a lot better over the years but it’s still not where it needs to be.

I used to go to restaurants and notify servers about my peanut allergy and they would basically treat it as a preference. “So you just don’t like them?”  Now at least the severity is usually understood.

But how some people are acting like what Cordova did isn’t a big deal or “it’s just hives” show there’s still a lack of awareness.  Anaphylactic reactions are incredibly unpredictable.  One reaction it might just be hives and you think it’s ok but 3 hours later you’re in the ER after you thought everything was fine.  

And it’s also believed every exposure can lead to more serious reactions for subsequent exposures.  So Cordova could be contributing to A more serious reaction down the line in addition to his assault. 

[Neil Leininger]

7 hours ago, SamMan said:

*Note: Imma really needs to add the 🖕option to this site for trash like @jkatespost, just sayin’ @Bobby Burton. 

[Hermanator]

I posted this on the morning recruiting nuggets thread the morning this came out and it's how I see this situation as it relates to Sark and the program 

"Situations like these remind me of a quote in the movie Casino where Joe Bob Briggs plays the nephew of an influential Vegas politician who as a pit boss lets 2 machines pay out jackpots back to back without realize he was being scammed. After firing him De Niro says something like "he was either in on it or too stupid to know the difference. Either way I can't use him".

I see this the same. This kid either intentionally poisoned his teammate or was too ignorant to realize he was poisoning his teammate. Either way not Texas 2025 material."

 

I don't know the kid and don't know the situation at all. I have no ties to LT. I just know right now we seem to have a pretty seriously tight locker room and little margin for error since we're legitimately aiming at a National Championship run over the next few seasons. I have a feeling this kid's offer has become non-commitable at this point. We'll never know though because the best course of action for Sark is to keep quiet publicly and just stop recruiting the kid. No reason to make a statement about it. 

I can understand how so many people would feel emotionally moved by this as so many people, myself included, have had a child get bullied in school. Many of us went through some level of it when we were kids too. It's a topic that hits home and induces rage rather quickly for so many people.