OTF Premium Thoughts on Arch Manning

[Kyle Vochoska]

Do we have any theories as to why Arch was under center a lot more than Quinn ever was?

[cdibbs]

Given how Klubnik specifically has looked this game (and game 1 last year FWIW) I think maybe we can cut Arch some slack and expect him to use the next 3 weeks to get back on track and take care of Florida to start conference play. 

[HookemTexas]

Lots of people are assuming Florida is an automatic win, it’s in the swamp and they’ll be ready for payback.  Texas will need to make some big improvements to pull out a win, starting with Arch playing like he’s capable of.

[TXFF]

Don't forget what Colt said this week...the team is going into the game relatively blind because they had no good film on the new OC and DC which Colt said was a huge OSU advantage compared to the abundance of film on our coordinators. Makes sense.

[817 Boxing B]

4 hours ago, LonghornFan4Ever said:

When you can’t complete a simple drag route it looks that way.  I do think Wingo should’ve risked an OPI to prevent that INT by Arch though.

He gave up on it for sure.

[Aspann85]

4 hours ago, Assistant Regional Manager said:

We lose 14-9 if we kick 3 times in FG range.

Complain about whatever you want but going for it on 4th and 1 from the 1 foot line when an all a FG does is require you to score a TD later is dumb. Every other coach would have gone for it considering what Texas had shown offensively up to that point.

Uh, no, 16-14…the TD wasn’t on 4th down.

Edited 12 hours ago by Aspann85

[Aspann85]

5 hours ago, Quinncent McManning, Jr. said:

As i said in the game thread… too many poor side arm flicks without feet set. Look at this throw (ignore the fact that endries would have walked in for a td)

 

 

Endries could’ve easily had a 10+ catch for 100+ yds and 2 TDs as open as he was the whole game. It was crazy. If Arch ever figures out that guy is on our team, he’s gonna have a monster year!

[Hesity]

I thought Arch would be more successful on qb sneaks, but he didn’t seem to get any real push. Looked similar to Quinn. 

We’ll be fine.

[A-10HORN]

3 hours ago, f1revo said:

He had 5 ypc lol

Against two deep safeties and a light box.  Teams are gonna play us like that.  We basically did the same thing on defense.  Bend but dont break until the field closes in inside the 20

[Gpj0001]

For instance this is miss leading he played New Mexico and there hyping him up

[Assistant Regional Manager]

1 hour ago, Aspann85 said:

Uh, no, 16-14…the TD wasn’t on 4th down.

Pretending a FG was the right call when it is 4th and ONE FOOT and you are down 7-0 isn’t serious.

It would be like getting a 11 in blackjack with the dealer showing a 16 and choosing to stand.

[GQ03]

10 hours ago, Aspann85 said:

The biggest takeaways being at the game were 2) Receivers were open all over the field, especially Endries and Arch wouldn’t see them.

This.

 

I had to shake my head when I saw Bobby and some others talk about the WRs not getting an open when they were running open all day and Arch was missing them. First play of the game, not only was Deandre Moore wide open but Jack Endries was wide open right behind Moore. Arch had two open options and threw it in the dirt. On 4th & 3 from the 9 where Arch tries to hit Livingstone on the slot fade, Wingo is open for a 1st down and potentially td on a slant but Arch was locked on Livingstone. And then there's Arch missing a wide open Wingo on the big 3rd & 5 on the last possession. 

[GQ03]

4 hours ago, Aspann85 said:

Endries could’ve easily had a 10+ catch for 100+ yds and 2 TDs as open as he was the whole game. It was crazy. If Arch ever figures out that guy is on our team, he’s gonna have a monster year!

I actually think that was Shannon that was open on that play.

[Here for the Wins]

29 minutes ago, GQ03 said:

This.

 

I had to shake my head when I saw Bobby and some others talk about the WRs not getting an open when they were running open all day and Arch was missing them. First play of the game, not only was Deandre Moore wide open but Jack Endries was wide open right behind Moore. Arch had two open options and threw it in the dirt. On 4th & 3 from the 9 where Arch tries to hit Livingstone on the slot fade, Wingo is open for a 1st down and potentially td on a slant but Arch was locked on Livingstone. And then there's Arch missing a wide open Wingo on the big 3rd & 5 on the last possession. 

That was on Wingo.  Feel free to stop your game when the ball is released.  There’s ample time to adjust yet he never does.  

[GQ03]

10 minutes ago, Here for the Wins said:

That was on Wingo.  Feel free to stop your game when the ball is released.  There’s ample time to adjust yet he never does.  

On which play are you referring to? 

[Here for the Wins]

The 3rd and 5 on the last possession.  It’s not a great throw, but Wingo’s reaction is delayed and odd.  He leaves his feet.

[diegozanna20]

@Gerry Hamilton The only thing that gives me confidence is the throws late in the game that he made.
Apart from that, I don't wanna say it, but he looked like DJ Uiagalalei at FSU with those bad mechanics and footwork...
Hopefully more reps and time will make him overcome the jitters he had, because that was just simply not the same player we saw last year.
The Film Guy on twitter specifically pointed out how bad mechanics,footwork and everything else looked.
I think these next 3 games are gonna be crucial for him to really settle in and make the easy throws automatic.
 

[Gerry Hamilton]

7 hours ago, Kyle Vochoska said:

Do we have any theories as to why Arch was under center a lot more than Quinn ever was?

Arch has always played under center. Taught the game from under center first 

Sark wants to run more play action from under center … he wants to run the ball effectively from under center to open up play action down the field 

[diegozanna20]

I think the rattled mechanics and footwork are all mental, so that's the first thing that I'll worry about at Florida: can he handle the expectations better? Can he settle down and acutally GET IN the game?
The MORE concerning thing I saw today, because in no way do I wanna believe Arch can't make those easy throws he couldn't make today, is him waiting, on routes over the middle, for guys to GET OPEN instead of throwing them open.
Again, this easily could've been a jitters thing, in my mind no way Sark has a whole gameplan centered around that if Arch struggled with it in practice.
So it's not a good thing when your QB just can't seem to settle in in big games, but I do think the mental side of handling the pressure of big games gets easier with more reps.
I think a lot of today was between the ears rather than talent (even when it comes to going through progressions)

[UTexas]

13 hours ago, f1revo said:

The OL was a bright spot 😂 

After whatcha few clips on YouTube, you’re right. O line had a solid day, until the goal line situations. 
 

Sarks gameplan and Arch missing some easy throws and holding the ball too long doomed us. 

[Philip Barber]

11 hours ago, f1revo said:

He had 5 ypc lol

You don’t get it.  When we needed it, he didn’t get it. You don’t understand Ohio State’s defensive game plan, but I get it the nuances of football, the average fan doesn’t get.  It appears Sark doesn’t either since he doesn’t understand the importance of kicking field goals.  

[Philip Barber]

14 hours ago, Gerry Hamilton said:

Thoughts on Arch Manning 

I have a number of thoughts on Arch Manning today ….

1. Any QB simply can’t miss the easy throws. Arch missed nearly every easy throw today. You can’t play QB at a high level, or be a high level team missing easy throws. End of discussion. 

2. Some of the easy throws were also in critical down and distance. Those are double bad for a QB. Simply can’t do it against quality competition, period.

3. Ohio State is uber talented team and quality team. Statistically, this will be Arch’s worst game of the season. 

4. Arch’s legs will be a major asset as the season moves along. Again, this will be as talented of a D as Texas faces. And this was on the road with months to prepare. 

5. Arch has to get more comfortable in the pocket. Again, high end competition, but he had too many throws without balance in the pocket today to be an accurate QB. 

6. What I’m expecting the next three games. Texas will overwhelm lesser opponents with talent. There will be big games statistically, big play TD’s and talk about how much the Texas offense will have improved. I will be in wait and see mode. The next test isn’t lambs getting paid to come to Austin and get taken to the woodshed… it’s at Florida. 

7. Arch will play better. That’s easy to see and predict. But the question comes down to how much better as the season moves along. Texas has a playoff defense - zero doubt in my mind. But Sark and Arch have a lot to prove if they will end up with a playoff level offense. 
 

Other topics:

1. Texas run game has a chance this year. If that’s the start, can’t wait to see the finish. 

2. Texas’ defense will give the team the opportunity to be in every game this season. 

3. The season isn’t over. But the margin for error is down to one game. That amps up the pressure the rest of the season. And the pressure is on Sark after that stinker of a game plan today. 

Good thoughts but the problem was Sark not kicking two field goals.  He placed more pressure on his inexperienced offense to chase those six points the in the fourth quarter.  If he had those six points, he could have, though not necessary, after Parker’s TD gone for two.  Whatever, he did after that TD, on that last drive, he only needs a FG to win the game, not a miracle TD to go to OT.  OSU would have had to defend the field differently. Smart people knew this game was a one-score game differential, except Sark.  On the road, defending national champs, and he was throwing sure points away.  This is not the first time because OU 2023 is another example.  

[Roy Hinojosa]

What I found most concerning is that Arch's demeanor looked like he wasn't having any fun. There was no confidence or swagger to him, he just looked worried the whole time. The first throw of the game was wide open as you could get, and he turfed it so bad that it barely bounced to his receiver. 

I don't care how much Sark schemes it, if you can't make wide open throws we either need to trot out someone else or Arch needs to find that swagger in him that we saw last year. 

Edited 4 hours ago by Roy Hinojosa

[Aspann85]

8 hours ago, Assistant Regional Manager said:

Pretending a FG was the right call when it is 4th and ONE FOOT and you are down 7-0 isn’t serious.

It would be like getting a 11 in blackjack with the dealer showing a 16 and choosing to stand.

That’s just clueless speech…

[Bobby_Batronic]

9 hours ago, Hesity said:

I thought Arch would be more successful on qb sneaks, but he didn’t seem to get any real push. Looked similar to Quinn. 

We’ll be fine.

Arch is a capable scrambler, and not a power rusher. He doesn’t have a feel for designed QB runs and looks timid in the hole. Something for our coaches to remember moving forward.  

5 hours ago, GQ03 said:

This.

 

I had to shake my head when I saw Bobby and some others talk about the WRs not getting an open when they were running open all day and Arch was missing them. First play of the game, not only was Deandre Moore wide open but Jack Endries was wide open right behind Moore. Arch had two open options and threw it in the dirt. On 4th & 3 from the 9 where Arch tries to hit Livingstone on the slot fade, Wingo is open for a 1st down and potentially td on a slant but Arch was locked on Livingstone. And then there's Arch missing a wide open Wingo on the big 3rd & 5 on the last possession. 

Thats young QB stuff, and probably not a little bit of Sark joysticking his QB with helmet communications. Probably a little bit of what Sark meant when he said he needs to let Arch go play more.