I am so glad Sark has welcomed Mack to the program...

[Austalgia]

23 minutes ago, rocketman said:

A coach who wins two conference championship over 15 years is not a great coach. 

9+ wins for 10 years , most years 10 and a national championship was left out.  Could have played for 3 more national championships, it’s an oblong ball.  Best testimony is from players that are legends, not you guys .  Second best coach in UT history. He had his negatives.  I think down talking the program on the way out is rumor.  He did say he was working his tail off in Florida . Yeah, it was weird, but not worth all the hate .  Get over it .  And be appreciative.  The hate is getting old  

Edited 8 hours ago by Austalgia

[Hashtag]

4 minutes ago, Austalgia said:

9+ wins for 10 years , most years 10 and a national championship was left out.  Could have played for 3 more national championships, it’s an oblong ball.  Best testimony is from players that are legends, not you guys .  

Larry Coker has a title, Coach O has a title, Jimbo has a title, chisel has a title. perhaps Mack shouldn’t have been so soft and coddling to his players and he’d have more success? 

[CHorn427]

8 minutes ago, Hashtag said:

Mack had to be begged to recruit Vince as a QB and he better be thanking Tim Brewster every day for getting Vince. He turned away multiple Heisman winning QBs. As pointed out he burned this program down from 2010 on with his lazy recruiting and exit. He crap talked the program and school to anyone who would listen, he actively encouraged commits to look elsewhere and players on the team to leave. We’re all thankful for the title VINCE delivered and we can all dislike Mack brown for how, why, and after circumstances he created the lead to him being essentially fired

Did Mack Brown hire Steve Patterson? I find it very hard to believe Mack Brown had to be convinced to recruit the #1 player in the country. 

[Austalgia]

2 minutes ago, Hashtag said:

Larry Coker has a title, Coach O has a title, Jimbo has a title, chisel has a title. perhaps Mack shouldn’t have been so soft and coddling to his players and he’d have more success? 

Did any of those coaches have a decade of success and raise money to a level to make their university the highest revenue university in the nation? And he might have been soft and might could have won more, but let it go.  Time has passed . He deserves to come back in and help.  

[CHorn427]

13 minutes ago, Hashtag said:

Mack had to be begged to recruit Vince as a QB and he better be thanking Tim Brewster every day for getting Vince. He turned away multiple Heisman winning QBs. As pointed out he burned this program down from 2010 on with his lazy recruiting and exit. He crap talked the program and school to anyone who would listen, he actively encouraged commits to look elsewhere and players on the team to leave. We’re all thankful for the title VINCE delivered and we can all dislike Mack brown for how, why, and after circumstances he created the lead to him being essentially fired

By the way, who hired Tim Brewster? 
 

You have a warped sense of credit that you attribute. Texas was clearly dysfunctional beyond Mack Brown in 2013. Steve Patterson was the worst thing that ever happened to Texas athletics, and that was a crap BOR that did that. It wasn’t until we got an all-Longhorn BOR and made a great AD hire that we got back on track. 
 

Mack Brown hired Brewster who led the charge in recruiting VY. You don’t get to discredit MB’s accomplishments 

[Hashtag]

2 minutes ago, Austalgia said:

Did any of those coaches have a decade of success and raise money to a level to make their university the highest revenue university in the nation? And he might have been soft and might could have won more, but let it go.  Time has passed . He deserves to come back in and help.  

Money was going to flow to any school during that time period, you think Texas was the only one making money? Mack is a cancer and a weak loser mentality. That’s why Bowden and Stoops owned his butt. 

[GoHorns1]

Which team had more talent the 98 team Mack inherited from Mackovic or the 2014 team Strong inherited from Mack?

[Hashtag]

He gets fired and moves back to Texas so he can use UT to grift the fan base. It’s predictable. 

[pinkman_90]

19 minutes ago, Austalgia said:

Did any of those coaches have a decade of success and raise money to a level to make their university the highest revenue university in the nation? And he might have been soft and might could have won more, but let it go.  Time has passed . He deserves to come back in and help.  

Uh help?  For sure not.  He can be a fan and remembered/celebrated as a coach who won a championship but he should in no way be more involved in the program than that. 

[Austalgia]

15 minutes ago, Hashtag said:

Money was going to flow to any school during that time period, you think Texas was the only one making money? Mack is a cancer and a weak loser mentality. That’s why Bowden and Stoops owned his butt. 

I guess you weren’t around or don’t know your history.  Joe Jamail’s contributions were because of Mack.  I can come up with some more given time that are directly linked to Mack’s ability to raise money and generate excitement .  You can maybe argue on the coaching or other pieces of the legacy (not beating OU enough), but Mack being a politician that brought  in the donations and funding for us being on top is objective, not subjective . 

[Austalgia]

3 minutes ago, pinkman_90 said:

Uh help?  For sure not.  He can be a fan and remembered/celebrated as a coach who won a championship but he should in no way be more involved in the program than that. 

Ok, fair . He has a podcast with VY though.  So he is a little involved in pumping up the brand. 

Edited 8 hours ago by Austalgia

[harveycmd]

How can we put this? Mack was a better program builder than he was an actual football coach. I remember being frustrated much more often than satisfied. As a fan, I'm happy to recognize him for taking the Longhorns back to the top and re-establishing Texas football. There's really nothing to be gained by being churlish and pointing out what didn't happen.

[HelloThere]

2 hours ago, WestlakeLonghorn said:

Mack’s the reason that Saban didn’t end up at Texas - im with you. 

This is false and will always be false no matter how many times people say it and believe it.  Hate to tell yall this but the “Big Cigar” or whatever his name was fed the fan base multiple lies. 
 

Nick Saban was not going to work for Steve Patterson. It still amazes me that Mack takes all the blame for what Steve Patterson did to this program. 
 

Mack left it better than he found it. Once game away from playing for the Big 12 Championship. Patterson came in and completely wrecked everything from top to bottom. I cannot think of one thing he did that helped Texas in any way. Billy Lucci couldn’t have wrecked this athletic department worse than Patterson did. A complete disaster that took years to recover from. 
 

But let’s blame Mack Brown. It is so dumb. 

[Hashtag]

8 minutes ago, HelloThere said:

This is false and will always be false no matter how many times people say it and believe it.  Hate to tell yall this but the “Big Cigar” or whatever his name was fed the fan base multiple lies. 
 

Nick Saban was not going to work for Steve Patterson. It still amazes me that Mack takes all the blame for what Steve Patterson did to this program. 
 

Mack left it better than he found it. Once game away from playing for the Big 12 Championship. Patterson came in and completely wrecked everything from top to bottom. I cannot think of one thing he did that helped Texas in any way. Billy Lucci couldn’t have wrecked this athletic department worse than Patterson did. A complete disaster that took years to recover from. 
 

But let’s blame Mack Brown. It is so dumb. 

Your timeline is off. If Deloss wasn’t such a coward he would have been but Oliver luck, who would have been our AD(not Patterson), wanted the Mack thing settled before taking job. Steve said he’d pull the trigger. Just bad leadership around that time with AD and president. 

[Gerald Nash]

5 hours ago, GetHooked said:

I'm not.  

Red banquet Mack x 2. 

[HelloThere]

1 hour ago, Hashtag said:

Your timeline is off. If Deloss wasn’t such a coward he would have been but Oliver luck, who would have been our AD(not Patterson), wanted the Mack thing settled before taking job. Steve said he’d pull the trigger. Just bad leadership around that time with AD and president. 

The committee was enamored with Patterson’s presentation and how he ran pro organizations. They felt that was the way colleges sports would be going and wanted to be ahead of the curve. (Man, were they wrong) Luck was a shoe in until then. Patterson would have preferred to keep Brown, although you are right that he was willing to pull the trigger if needed. But that wasn’t the reason for the hire. Luck would have pulled the trigger too if he was told to. 

100% agree that leadership was lacking from multiple positions at the time and DeLoss had a part in it, although he wanted Luck not Patterson. Powers was a major liability in all of it. 

My major point is that these decisions, especially Patterson were the biggest reasons for our decade of mediocrity, not Mack Brown. 

Patterson interviewed coaches that had used every connection they had to get the Texas job and they walked away after talking to him. Multiple coaches. It was that bad, but people really want to think Nick Saban was going to leave Alabama to come into that situation. 

[TTown]

Ever since Mack had to try and worm his way back in things are getting weird. Damn Mack karma🤣. Topped off today with Sark's weird bathroom analogy which is viral all over now. Just go back to NC til after football is over please, and help Sally make cookies for BB and his girl Jordan🙏

[AusMOJO]

After that Natty loss to Bama, he was never really the same, for some reason. But we're always thankful for him for that 2005 title and recruiting Vince Young. Though he could've definitely had a few more under his belt before that, imo. 

Either way, I'm fine with him hanging around. Although if he starts talking about coaching again...lol. 

[AusMOJO]

Also, I agree with everyone about Steve Patterson, that guy ruined a lot. No mistaking that. But you can't deny that while Mack had some great seasons, he did under perform, for his talent level, etc. Though Mack was never a great X's and O's guy, he was a good leader and program builder at Texas. I'm not sure Saban would've made much of a difference with the leadership around Texas at that point.

I'm hoping that we're determined to NEVER let it get to that point again. 

[LonghornFan4Ever]

16 minutes ago, AusMOJO said:

Also, I agree with everyone about Steve Patterson, that guy ruined a lot. No mistaking that. But you can't deny that while Mack had some great seasons, he did under perform, for his talent level, etc. Though Mack was never a great X's and O's guy, he was a good leader and program builder at Texas. I'm not sure Saban would've made much of a difference with the leadership around Texas at that point.

I'm hoping that we're determined to NEVER let it get to that point again. 

As long as CDC and Eltife are here, I doubt a 13 year down period like that ever happens again.  If Sark does bolt for the NFL in a few years, I trust they will find the right guy to keep this thing humming.  Keep the program at an Ohio State level where a down year is a 10-2 regular season and you’re winning a natty at least once a decade.

[AusMOJO]

19 minutes ago, LonghornFan4Ever said:

As long as CDC and Eltife are here, I doubt a 13 year down period like that ever happens again.  If Sark does bolt for the NFL in a few years, I trust they will find the right guy to keep this thing humming.  Keep the program at an Ohio State level where a down year is a 10-2 regular season and you’re winning a natty at least once a decade.

I've actually been wondering about that. Who do you even replace someone like Sark with, if he does go to the NFL like some people suspect he wants to. That's always tough to do, huh? I'm not really in the know when it comes to good coaches and all that, except the obvious ones out there. 

[Philip Barber]

5 hours ago, CHorn427 said:

His record at North Carolina is the winningest coach in UNC history. Maybe look things up before typing?

Yawn!  Mike Gundy is at Okie State,  Bill Synder at KSU.  And they won more important games than Brown won at North Carolina.  Greg Schiano is at Rutgers.  Brown just another average coach who landed a great gig at Texas, and then could barely finish second in the South Division most years.  One thing about his time at NC, second time, and Texas., his departures were the same.  He was forced out.