Arch Manning's Development, Layering the football

[diegozanna20]

After the last few weeks there's zero doubts in my mind that we're seeing Arch play his best football and we're seeing him progress more and more every week.
He's tough as nails, he has zero fear of standing in a dirty pocket and taking a hit, he can evade rushers, he can get out of the pocket and he's finally being accurate with the football.
PFF gave him a 82 adjusted completion percentage. He threw the ball more than 40 times. That's elite level of accuracy.
What's even more encouraging is that it seems to me that he's gotten over the mental hurdle of playing in a big setting or being afraid to make mistakes.
He's also processing a lot quicker and you can tell he's a really smart football player. The last 4 games the 2 ints that he threw were one on a bobbled football by Livingstone and the other on a inaccurate ball to Moore (which probably should've been PI), none of these being due to stupid decisions by him.

Having said this the film guy brought up an intersting point about his development: Arch really struggles to layer the football.
He said that he makes about 12 throws every saturday that are just elite NFL throws where he has either a really tight window to throw into, or he's standing in a dirty pocket with pressure in his face, or he's throwing on the run.
But he's errant when throwing to Mosley, for example, running a deep over.
He says that if Arch isn't putting everything he can into the throw he doesn't know where the football is going.
He the concluded that he's still a guy that he would draft to then try to develop that part of his game.

I find myself agreeing with him cause I think that's a big part of the offense that is missing.
We struggle to have explosives because Arch isn't accurate on deep overs or  routes that are "running away from him", where he just has to put a little air under the ball and let receivers create in space.
The only other way we can create explosives in the passing game is with the screen game or deep post routes/lower percentage throws.

What do you guys think about it?
Do you think it can be fixed this offseason?
Do you think it's something that's gonna take longer and is deep rooted into his mechanics?

Edited 2 hours ago by diegozanna20

[Here for the Wins]

About last weekend, and it was similar to Ohio State, there was a feel that the Oline held up better than it did.  I’m sure experience will help the throws you mention.  Consistent time in the pocket should as well.  And we still have too much interior pressure.  Those aren’t throws you rush.  Those 3 things don’t lend themselves to consistency because patience and time is less consistent.  It’s generally easier to let it rip in the face of pressure for many too.  As the comfort level goes up, the consistency should as well.

He was pressured on 41% of throws versus UGa.  The average time to throw on those pressures was sub-3 seconds.

[diegozanna20]

12 minutes ago, Here for the Wins said:

About last weekend, and it was similar to Ohio State, there was a feel that the Oline held up better than it did.  I’m sure experience will help the throws you mention.  Consistent time in the pocket should as well.  And we still have too much interior pressure.  Those aren’t throws you rush.  Those 3 things don’t lend themselves to consistency because patience and time is less consistent.  It’s generally easier to let it rip in the face of pressure for many too.  As the comfort level goes up, the consistency should as well.

He was pressured on 41% of throws versus UGa.  The average time to throw on those pressures was sub-3 seconds.

Really interesting.
I still think it's an area where he's gotta mature mechanically in the off season, but I do think you're right in saying that confidence is a big factor in this.

[jkates]

If you find yourself agreeing with The Film Guy, you need to question your life's choices.

Mostly kidding. But that guy is an amateur posing as a football geek. I wouldn't put much stock into his analysis.

Arch is still developing, to be sure. He misses some throws now and again in a head-scratching fashion. He's also layered a few in there that have been dropped. What is encouraging to me on the Arch front is that he appears to be one of the few guys on offense taking personal accountability for his weaknesses and working to fix them from game to game. 

[Here for the Wins]

His motion is a little awkward which is probably who he is.

I like to be different I suppose.  The mechanics issues are overblown somewhat.  Pressure and experience impact those things.  It’s more a matter of him slowing down and being less rushed.  And that rusher pushing the pocket is very significant.  And guys with his mentality, they make some wow plays, but that’s often because they aren’t following the expected mechanical or expected decision-making.  So you’ll have misfires there too.

[TexasMDcoach]

Arch can make all the throws.  Most of his deep balls are just a tad long and I think when we add a bit more speed to that position his long ball will become the weapon, we all expected. 

[SB21]

Growth as a QB to play at an elite level takes time. Sure there are rare occasions that freshmen and sophomore QBs play really well but for the comp Arch is playing against he is progressing and that’s all that should matter this year. Keep building and growing and let’s see how next year looks compared to this year 

[Michelle Lynn]

I dont disagree with film guy and think this level can for sure be improved. Think of how much progress he has shown just this season with no oline and questionable weapons. Te, wr and rb have all been inconsistent at BEST. 

I think it’s ok to acknowledge that Arch can work on layering throws but also be pumped about his growth. I view it as a positive that he still has areas he can improve and is already playing at a high level.