What is the worst job in P4 Football?

[Chinadoll10]

I was thinking about this last night, and it's almost undoubtedly Arkansas right? 

[TexasFanatic]

Kentucky is worse than Arkansas in my opinion. Rutgers is up there too. 

[mapplewhite132]

Oklahoma state has to be up there 

[Gerry Hamilton]

Football ... Rank to your opinion 

Arkansas

Kentucky

Wake Forest

Rutgers

Boston College

Purdue

 

Me ... in current NCAA football (not past necessarily)

1. Purdue

2. Boston College 

3. Rutgers

4. Wake Forest

 

[Jeff Howe]

@Gerry Hamilton mentioned Purdue, a program that doesn't get enough consideration for how tough that job was before Indiana emerged as a contender in the Big Ten.

I've probably had a warped sense of what Purdue is as a program because I was in high school when Drew Brees was running Joe Tiller's offense, a system that was ahead of its time (the same goes for how I view Arkansas and UCLA). Their last conference championship was in 2000, and before that, it was 1967.

 

[Alex C]

1 hour ago, Gerry Hamilton said:

Football ... Rank to your opinion 

Arkansas

Kentucky

Wake Forest

Rutgers

Boston College

Purdue

 

Me ... in current NCAA football (not past necessarily)

1. Purdue

2. Boston College 

3. Rutgers

4. Wake Forest

 

No Big 12 teams @Gerry Hamilton?

I think West Virginia, Kansas, maybe even something like Cincinnati are not great football schools. The difference from the other conferences might be it is easier to make it to the top quickly because there are no dominant programs at the moment. 

 

[Oldest Horn]

Arky needs a Jerry Jones/Walton family type to do a Texas Tech for them. 

[CHorn427]

2 hours ago, TexasFanatic said:

Kentucky is worse than Arkansas in my opinion. Rutgers is up there too. 

Arkansas might be worse because Arkansas has a history of being a good football program and is one of those that will be very hard to ever be a contender. The fans yearn to return to being an “equal” of Texas but probably never will be (consistently). 

[Assistant Regional Manager]

I guess they aren’t technically P4 anymore but Oregon State and Washington State would be up there.

[CHorn427]

2 hours ago, Gerry Hamilton said:

Football ... Rank to your opinion 

Arkansas

Kentucky

Wake Forest

Rutgers

Boston College

Purdue

 

Me ... in current NCAA football (not past necessarily)

1. Purdue

2. Boston College 

3. Rutgers

4. Wake Forest

 

I think Ark is the worst just because of expectations. If you go 0-3 vs Texas with under 10 wins in your first 3 years you’re likely a goner. Hell 0-2 even if the losses are bad enough 

[CHorn427]

1 minute ago, Assistant Regional Manager said:

I guess they aren’t technically P4 anymore but Oregon State and Washington State would be up there.

Not really, they have manageable schedules and better histories than the other teams that are in their conference. They should be perennial contenders for the g6 spot in the playoffs next year on if either of them have close to a good coach

Edited 18 hours ago by CHorn427

[CHorn427]

Arkansas plays Texas, LSU and either Bama or UGA for the next four years.

Even if they go 1-2 in those games, that’s pretty much a guaranteed 3+ loss season for the next 4 years unless a coach turns things around in a big way. Especially if LSU starts playing the way they can/should. 
 

Ark could get a coach like Cignetti, but that coach for sure won’t be blessed with the same schedule Cignetti’s been blessed with the last 2 years. 

[Chinadoll10]

I don’t see how Wake and BC are worse jobs than Arkansas. You have zero recruiting base if you’re Arkansas except getting unappreciated guys from BEAST Texas and hoping they develop into studs….who are loyal. 

[Assistant Regional Manager]

32 minutes ago, CHorn427 said:

Not really, they have manageable schedules and better histories than the other teams that are in their conference. They should be perennial contenders for the g6 spot in the playoffs next year on if either of them have close to a good coach

Neither is serious about football, hence why they now play in the 2-team Pac12 while other schools went to power conferences.

Edited 18 hours ago by Assistant Regional Manager

[SchoolColors]

By conference:

SEC - Auburn, because of their boosters and admin. Vanderbilt is second for me. 

BIG - Rutgers or Purdue

ACC - Duke, basketball outshines you no matter what. 
 

Big 12 - Kansas similar to Duke but also outshined by Kansas State  

 

 

[CHorn427]

27 minutes ago, Assistant Regional Manager said:

Neither is serious about football, hence why they now play in the 2-team Pac12 while other schools went to power conferences.

Oregon State and Washington State had seasons every now and then with 9-10 wins against much better competition than what they’ll be faced with now. 
 

Oregon State and Washington State are at worst good spring board jobs. 
 

IF (big IF) a coach ever got Ark to the CFP, that coach would be immediately poached by the next blue blood program that comes open

[Beldar]

4 hours ago, Chinadoll10 said:

I was thinking about this last night, and it's almost undoubtedly Arkansas right? 

Arkie has had times when they were really good under Broyles, Hatfield, Holtz and pretty good under Petrino and Nutt. Pretty area and now easier to get to. NIL, They should be able to play with the Waltons, Tysons, Jones etc in the mix. Would rather they stay down because they bring it when they play us. It is a holy war.

 

[AusMOJO]

Funny thing is that Arky has the big money guys, but I don't think any of them are interested in Arky football lol. 

[FootLaw]

West Virginia is up there for me with Purdue and Cincy. Cal can't be fun either.

[diegozanna20]

Gotta be Purdue I agree with Gerry

[Kevin C]

17 hours ago, Gerry Hamilton said:

Football ... Rank to your opinion 

Arkansas

Kentucky

Wake Forest

Rutgers

Boston College

Purdue

 

Me ... in current NCAA football (not past necessarily)

1. Purdue

2. Boston College 

3. Rutgers

4. Wake Forest

 

Agree.   But as Texas Tech has shown, it only takes one BMD who’s willing to go all-in and a program can turn around much quicker than in the past or as Indiana has shown, hit a homerun on your HC (and overall coaching staff) then step up and pay him big to stay if you want to contend. 

With the new CFP and likely expansion (16-24 teams), the opportunity is there for any of these programs.   Look at Indiana, Vandy, Georgia Tech, Illinois, BYU, Texas Tech.    Indiana and Texas Tech are legit contenders and both programs were in the ditch 4 yrs ago.
 

Hook em!! 🧡🤘🏼🐂  

 

[Hookem1012]

Cal(3,000 mile away games and somehow being in the ATLANTIC COAST CONFERENCE kill this program from medicore at best to forever bottom feeder)

Purdue(Couldn’t win there without Drew Brees and now Indiana is good…)

Stanford(see Cal)

Oregon State(No Phil Knight and nobody will take the new PAC-12 seriously)

Wake Forest(not good when your HC leaves to become a DC in the NFL)

 

 

[BWizzle2145]

They are by far not the worst….But the current situation at LSU is an absolute cluster…Fire BK…Owe him 53 million…But don’t pay him and say well you actually didn’t fire him and now you fire him for cause….But you don’t really have a for cause reason…Then the governor says the AD won’t hire the next coach…AD quits the job…Then you put the interim tag on the assistant AD who has never been in the position and a few days later take the interim tag off…News comes out they are offering Lane a couple Brinks trucks to save face…This could absolutely backfire and set their program back if the hire isn’t the right one!

[Oldest Horn]

10 minutes ago, BWizzle2145 said:

They are by far not the worst….But the current situation at LSU is an absolute cluster…Fire BK…Owe him 53 million…But don’t pay him and say well you actually didn’t fire him and now you fire him for cause….But you don’t really have a for cause reason…Then the governor says the AD won’t hire the next coach…AD quits the job…Then you put the interim tag on the assistant AD who has never been in the position and a few days later take the interim tag off…News comes out they are offering Lane a couple Brinks trucks to save face…This could absolutely backfire and set their program back if the hire isn’t the right one!

Nothing that $14 large/year can’t solve!

[Tuco Ramirez]

37 minutes ago, Hookem1012 said:

Cal(3,000 mile away games and somehow being in the ATLANTIC COAST CONFERENCE kill this program from medicore at best to forever bottom feeder)

Purdue(Couldn’t win there without Drew Brees and now Indiana is good…)

Stanford(see Cal)

Oregon State(No Phil Knight and nobody will take the new PAC-12 seriously)

Wake Forest(not good when your HC leaves to become a DC in the NFL)

 

 

Cal definitely. I went to a game there against USC when both teams were good and the stadium was half empty. Everybody in Berkeley is too busy humping trees to care about football.