NIL>Relationships

[Shmatt]

Its a new day of age unfortunately, at least it looks like were gonna get Turntine hopefully. Just a little vent thread though have at it.

 

[McCoyColt]

I’m still dumbfounded by this entire thing. I originally thought the new settlement would calm the waters of NIL but it’s only brought more chaos & uncertainty 

[Shmatt]

3 minutes ago, McCoyColt said:

I’m still dumbfounded by this entire thing. I originally thought the new settlement would calm the waters of NIL but it’s only brought more chaos & uncertainty 

it sucks but i mean im not worried, teams are going to spend and promise too much. And once that happens even more chaos will probably break

[JMarquette]

5 minutes ago, McCoyColt said:

I’m still dumbfounded by this entire thing. I originally thought the new settlement would calm the waters of NIL but it’s only brought more chaos & uncertainty 

This was funny because I think NCAA tried to sell bad goods - they knew settlement would do the same crap as before NIL. The NCAA is just such a bad governing body.

[harveycmd]

8 minutes ago, McCoyColt said:

I’m still dumbfounded by this entire thing. I originally thought the new settlement would calm the waters of NIL but it’s only brought more chaos & uncertainty 

This is entirely predictable because of the uncertainty around interpretation and enforcement of the House ruling. It will settle. Texas has clearly decided to emphasize roster retention over high school recruiting during the time of instability. It's the best plan.

Edited 5 hours ago by harveycmd

[NothinButDaHorns34]

Oooooh noooo we don’t have a top 5 class in july. Sark & staff have never done this and need to get it together. 

[Shmatt]

4 minutes ago, NothinButDaHorns34 said:

Oooooh noooo we don’t have a top 5 class in july. Sark & staff have never done this and need to get it together. 

I don’t think everyone who actually gets whats going on is panicking, its just the ugly truth that anyone can get bought for their services now. Its a miss but not a crippling one, it is what it is.

Edited 5 hours ago by Shmatt

[harveycmd]

August 1 will initiate an interesting transition point in this cycle. Deals can be put in writing and submitted. Likely to see a number of high profile decommitments popping up by mid to late August. Likely to see player initiated lawsuits too. You know that most of the crazy dollar deals for high school recruits are based in "affiliated" NIL. We'll see how that's enforced and how the clearing house fairs in court. 

[4thandFive]

And if Texas does things right…they’re going to come out smelling like roses.

Edited 4 hours ago by 4thandFive

[Bobby Burton]

30 minutes ago, JMarquette said:

This was funny because I think NCAA tried to sell bad goods - they knew settlement would do the same crap as before NIL. The NCAA is just such a bad governing body.

Putting the genie back in the bottle NEVER works!!!

[Shmatt]

1 minute ago, Bobby Burton said:

Putting the genie back in the bottle NEVER works!!!

They just created more of a mess then they were probably ready for…good luck in court to them at some point lmao😭

[GoHorns1]

38 minutes ago, McCoyColt said:

I’m still dumbfounded by this entire thing. I originally thought the new settlement would calm the waters of NIL but it’s only brought more chaos & uncertainty 

Texas is paying a large part of the NIL cap retaining its current roster while most or paying recruits.

[GoHorns1]

41 minutes ago, JMarquette said:

This was funny because I think NCAA tried to sell bad goods - they knew settlement would do the same crap as before NIL. The NCAA is just such a bad governing body.

NCAA settled because if they didn’t  the results would probably be bankruptcy!

Edited 4 hours ago by GoHorns1

[Brazos21]

I think we might have dodged a bullet. I never liked all the public statements he made about being #1 target, best in the country, going up to rivals to dominate, etc...He seemed to have bought in to the hype and didn't back it up. He might develop...but the mental profile to me didn't match what we are looking for in serious 5 star recruits. Compare to John Turntine journey...Take Turntine all day.

[Jordan91]

2 hours ago, McCoyColt said:

I’m still dumbfounded by this entire thing. I originally thought the new settlement would calm the waters of NIL but it’s only brought more chaos & uncertainty 

Why did you think that? This will go back to the courts again. The settlement did nothing but create more instability. I never understood why it was mentioned so much. 

[Jordan91]

1 hour ago, NothinButDaHorns34 said:

Oooooh noooo we don’t have a top 5 class in july. Sark & staff have never done this and need to get it together. 

Difference is these guys are most likely signing two year contracts that are front loaded for the  first year. Totally different than previous years. 

[harveycmd]

17 minutes ago, Jordan91 said:

Difference is these guys are most likely signing two year contracts that are front loaded for the  first year. Totally different than previous years. 

This will be interesting. My understanding is that deals for this cycle haven't been officially put in writing and signed yet. That's the August 1 deal. Could they have had up front payments for committing? Sure, but that's not the same thing as a signed two year contract. What's "affiliated" and what's "true" NIL? We don't know that yet. I agree that's it's likely the courts will alter this substantially; but while that plays out in court, these high school kids aren't likely to patiently wait.

[HDub1995]

8 minutes ago, harveycmd said:

This will be interesting. My understanding is that deals for this cycle haven't been officially put in writing and signed yet. That's the August 1 deal. Could they have had up front payments for committing? Sure, but that's not the same thing as a signed two year contract. What's "affiliated" and what's "true" NIL? We don't know that yet. I agree that's it's likely the courts will alter this substantially; but while that plays out in court, these high school kids aren't likely to patiently wait.

Deals had to start being reported immediately after settlement got approved. So, those deals have to be reported to the NIL clearinghouse and count towards the $20.5M cap. I think the schools that are still paying high money are banking on either no enforcement or a loophole they think they’ve found. 

[Jordan91]

2 minutes ago, harveycmd said:

This will be interesting. My understanding is that deals for this cycle haven't been officially put in writing and signed yet. That's the August 1 deal. Could they have had up front payments for committing? Sure, but that's not the same thing as a signed two year contract. What's "affiliated" and what's "true" NIL? We don't know that yet. I agree that's it's likely the courts will alter this substantially; but while that plays out in court, these high school kids aren't likely to patiently wait.

Agree on August 1st. The op was talking about flipping guys at a later date like previous years. If they break the contract then any money spent would likely have to be paid back. Who’s going to pay it back for them? Then Texas would have to at least match that NIL to get their services. If that’s the case, then why don’t they do that now? Texas has stepped into numerous blueblood backyards and is finishing second. They have to replace those guys with players of equal talent, and that’s if any of those guys are left. Then they have to explain why they didn’t prioritize them first. Counting on winning and culture to get them to take less NIL this year won’t work. And it’s because they will have already taken money from the school they chose first. And when a player does decide to do that, college sports is back in the courts again. It’s just a big mess now. 

[HookemTexas]

Though it's frustrating, if what Bobby said about Sark focusing on the roster versus high school recruits, I'm good with it.  Like the great DKR said, dance with the one that brung ya.

[Jordan91]

2 minutes ago, HDub1995 said:

Deals had to start being reported immediately after settlement got approved. So, those deals have to be reported to the NIL clearinghouse and count towards the $20.5M cap. I think the schools that are still paying high money are banking on either no enforcement or a loophole they think they’ve found. 

Likely not paying attention to the settlement at all. It all goes back to determining what a player is worth. What school is qualified to determine that? What clearinghouse is qualified to do that? So it heads back to the courts. 

[Jordan91]

1 minute ago, HookemTexas said:

Though it's frustrating, if what Bobby said about Sark focusing on the roster versus high school recruits, I'm good with it.  Like the great DKR said, dance with the one that brung ya.

Sark always seems to be ahead of the curve. When I read Bobby’s comments it makes me think he isn’t ahead of the curve anymore. How could any coach be ahead of the curve? House settlement says go this way, some schools say no let’s go this way, athlete says I am not happy, so it’s back to the courts again. Texas is not the only school with this problem. That’s the positive side of things.  We wait to see what happens to those who are not following the settlement in the courts. 

[Lock n Horns]

22 minutes ago, Jordan91 said:

Likely not paying attention to the settlement at all. It all goes back to determining what a player is worth. What school is qualified to determine that? What clearinghouse is qualified to do that? So it heads back to the courts. 

Doesn’t the clearinghouse weigh in on whether the NIL is at market rather than a work around sham?  It’s not about how much the athlete is worth. The market determines what they are worth

[harveycmd]

There's the locker room dynamic of this as well. To this point, there hasn't been a team that ridiculously overpaid high school recruits and made it work with team culture and chemistry. Aggy '22 class being a prime example.

Legally, I'd guess some things will happen quickly. The likelihood of the clearing house being able to reject third party payments is preposterous on its face. I can't think of a high profile example of anything like it in US history. I doubt the "affiliated" cap on NIL deals last very long, but it may make it through this cycle. What's affiliated? Who decides? The clearing house is not a disinterested third party. All to say, those schools that have kept spending like there's no tomorrow will at best face a period of legal limbo that's unlikely to permit them to hang on to most of the funny money deals.