A deeper understanding of what is happening

[Bobby Burton]

For those perplexed by the current NIL structure and how different schools are operating, the article I have linked below does a good job of laying out some of the terms.

https://sports.yahoo.com/college-football/article/we-dont-know-the-rules--big-12-coaches-still-wrestling-with-new-world-order-after-player-payment-changes-013454522.html

[Deej]

Seems like the schools that were prepared and had the money probably signed guys currently on the roster to multi year deals out of the collective before July 1, thus freeing up the revenue sharing money. @Bobby Burton any insight as to whether or not Texas was/is operating like this?

[Bobby Burton]

Just now, Deej said:

Seems like the schools that were prepared and had the money probably signed guys currently on the roster to multi year deals out of the collective before July 1, thus freeing up the revenue sharing money. @Bobby Burton any insight as to whether or not Texas was/is operating like this?

You can’t sign multi-year deals to go against rev share prior to House. You could forward it one year and Texas did that as much or more than anyone else.

What is happening now is folks are going beyond that. Read the article.

- Promising third party NiL is illegal.

- Paying players while still in high school is illegal.

- Promising you’ll pay them more if rules change is illegal.

[Hashtag]

Rules only apply to Texas cause “ethics” and if the “rules” are so unknown then operate your NIL program as you had previously been doing. Don’t hamstring yourself and put yourself behind the 8ball because you want to be a stickler for arbitrary rulings that will be litigated in law suits  

Edited 19 hours ago by Hashtag

[harveycmd]

5 minutes ago, Bobby Burton said:

You can’t sign multi-year deals to go against rev share prior to House. You could forward it one year and Texas did that as much or more than anyone else.

What is happening now is folks are going beyond that. Read the article.

- Promising third party NiL is illegal.

- Paying players while still in high school is illegal.

- Promising you’ll pay them more if rules change is illegal.

Are there penalties in place for punishing this kind of activity? If the hammer isn't dropped on this kind of stuff, it won't stop.

Edited 19 hours ago by harveycmd

[Hashtag]

Just now, harveycmd said:

Are there penalties in place for punishing this kind of activity? If the hammer is dropped on this kind of stuff, it won't stop.

If hammers get dropped we will just go back to full on bag games. 

[4thandFive]

Thanks, Bobby. 

We need more loin girding around here lately. Sark knows what he’s doing and Texas will be just fine. 

[Pwood]

Thanks for sharing - a good explanation of the shenanigans going on. I predicate some schools are going to have a PR issue when they are unable to provide what they promised players. We may lose some recruits in the short term, but maintaining a reputation of being honest will have long term benefits. 

[harveycmd]

4 minutes ago, Hashtag said:

If hammers get dropped we will just go back to full on bag games. 

Full on bag game is what some are effectively doing now with "illegal" promises and payments. We have stubborn administrators refusing to admit that the only way to get a handle on this is to make high value athletes employees and negotiate deals. It doesn't matter if they don't like it. 

[Bunk Moreland]

12 minutes ago, Bobby Burton said:

You can’t sign multi-year deals to go against rev share prior to House. You could forward it one year and Texas did that as much or more than anyone else.

What is happening now is folks are going beyond that. Read the article.

- Promising third party NiL is illegal.

- Paying players while still in high school is illegal.

- Promising you’ll pay them more if rules change is illegal.

If promising contingent NIL pending rules change is illegal, then we now know why Tech was so adamant that Ojo’s agent was incorrect about the terms of his deal. My understanding from what’s been reported (which admittedly could be incorrect) is that the $5M deal Ojo’s own agent announced publicly was heavily contingent. If so, then Tech could be in some serious trouble.

[Danimal]

Summary:

A bunch of poor schools can now talk big money with recruits. But those schools are historically poor and don't know how to think critically about money or budget. They are throwing out big contracts without a worry about tomorrow because their current roster is cheap. They will reap what they sow in a year or two. Those schools will feel some real pain and embarrassment in time, and it will be worse than losing some close recruitments in June and July 2025.

[Deej]

Right but in theory, for say Ryan Wingo or Colin Simmons, they could’ve signed 2 year deals in April to stay at Texas strictly out of the Texas One Fund with no processing at Deloitte (assuming the money was there and they were willing). So instead of having to pay them revenue share money, they were front loaded unregulated money. That regulated revenue sharing money can then be used on guys they want to bring in. So maybe a school like Alabama doesn’t need to spend the revenue sharing money on the current roster because they already paid them prior to the settlement and the Deloitte process? 

[drag worm]

After reading that it sounds like we should have front loaded our class and locked it up by May.

[JMarquette]

So @Bobby Burton for donations going to Texas, how does the Texas One Fund spend those now?

[Rivalrygameblock]

My takeaway is Seeley and the CSC need to resolve the settlement issues and get moving on enforcement or there’s no reason for him to be pulling seven figures at this juncture. 

[harveycmd]

There's no way of knowing how this will definitively play out. It's never a good a idea to risk years of problems for a small time, potential gain. We're talking high school recruits. 

Edited 18 hours ago by harveycmd

[Texasborn91]

With these rules in place… seems like going for the flips again late in the cycle are going to be much more difficult. Makes me wonder why we weren’t more competitive early on and why we came in second so much 

[Hashtag]

3 minutes ago, Texasborn91 said:

With these rules in place… seems like going for the flips again late in the cycle are going to be much more difficult. Makes me wonder why we weren’t more competitive early on and why we came in second so much 

 Texas is a letter of the law school because it makes them feel superior to others somehow. 

[CoachBobbyFinstock]

11 minutes ago, Texasborn91 said:

With these rules in place… seems like going for the flips again late in the cycle are going to be much more difficult. Makes me wonder why we weren’t more competitive early on and why we came in second so much 

Exactly my fear.

This isn’t the same as it’s been. The NIL deal’s have changed. I don’t think Texas has. This feels like prior to NIL in some respects. 

Edited 18 hours ago by CoachBobbyFinstock

[thatdude2]

34 minutes ago, Hashtag said:

 Texas is a letter of the law school because it makes them feel superior to others somehow. 

None of the deals that bind the athlete to the school have been signed yet. Think of the committed as the early rounds of negotiations.

[Hashtag]

Just now, thatdude2 said:

None of the deals that bind the athlete to the school have been signed yet. Think of the committed as the early rounds of negotiations.

If you believe that I’ll sell you a beach resort in North Dakota. 

[TTown]

Everybody else has Toyota Corolla's and going 120. We have Lambos and driving 35 under the speed limit😭. But hey we are in Compliance . They will wake up and adapt or get eaten alive in the muck and mire of SEC recruiting . 

[thatdude2]

12 minutes ago, Hashtag said:

If you believe that I’ll sell you a beach resort in North Dakota. 

How can they be signed right now?

[CQuast]

Just my two cents… this is a completely new landscape so I understand the urgency and fear in some fans, but also just like any other year, let’s focus on the bigger picture and give the staff a chance to handle business like they have. My main problem in all this is Texas fans coming off as whiny. If other universities are actually cheating, then lets just play it out and reap the benefits down the road from those institutions downfalls if things will truly be handled as they should regarding the House Settlement.

[horns96]

Is there any player we've missed on this cycle with a bigger upside at his position than what's on campus?  Maybe it's wiser to go with the bird in hand.  I'd also prefer to be straight with families about the current NIL uncertainty rather than promising them bullish*t.

I suspect there will be a ton of movement this fall when recruits see their contracts in writing.