Is Texas a desirable destination currently?

[ChanmanV]

With the exodus of players including potential starters and reports our NIL packages have been better than other schools players are picking, a question to ask is whether Texas is still considered a desirable destination right now for the elite players in the portal. And if not, why is that? This is clearly not just about money anymore. So is it Muschamp? Sark? Nanzen? Flood? Or us not making the playoffs this year? Or is the culture in the locker room not what we think?

It just seems off that we are whiffing as much as we are with big $ offers along side everything else on top of our retention rate.

Edited 18 hours ago by ChanmanV

[jkates]

Yes. 

[drag worm]

I’m not concerned about the players hitting the portal. The vast majority of those are being processed so we have less dead money on the bench. The bigger issue is that we aren’t landing the big marlins we’ve been fishing for to fill out our needs in the starting lineup for next season. To that end, I think your question is valid. All the Big 10 OL we have targeted seem to want to stay in the B10. Hard to play the SEC card anymore when that conference is trending well. Comes down to good old fashioned recruiting chops and this staff is losing that battle way too often. Let’s see how Coleman goes. 

[hookem1014]

I want to know what is the message Brandon Harris is relaying to players. CJ Baxter liked a tweet yesterday referring to Harris as the Jerry Jones of college football. 

[Connor Vaughn]

Just now, hookem1014 said:

I want to know what is the message Brandon Harris is relaying to players. CJ Baxter liked a tweet yesterday referring to Harris as the Jerry Jones of college football. 

Not necessarily an insult. From the PLAYERS perspective, Jerry is an incredible human. From a FANS perspective, he’s complete trash. That’s the difference. 

[Pound Town]

It's all about the money. Each school's desirability is contingent on the money it offers to a player. 

[TexasMDcoach]

13 minutes ago, ChanmanV said:

With the exodus of players including potential starters and reports our NIL packages have been better than other schools players are picking, a question to ask is whether Texas is still considered a desirable destination right now for the elite players in the portal. And if not, why is that? This is clearly not just about money anymore. So is it Muschamp? Sark? Nanzen? Flood? Or us not making the playoffs this year? Or is the culture in the locker room not what we think?

It just seems off that we are whiffing as much as we are with big $ offers along side everything else on top of our retention rate.

Are you saying we are offering more and players are accepting less than our offer to go somewhere else?  Please provide your source.  If this occurred how any occurrences?   I can see this happening if there is a regional pull somewhere else and the numbers are close but not on a global basis.  Would love to see that information. Thx.

[ChanmanV]

44 minutes ago, TexasMDcoach said:

Are you saying we are offering more and players are accepting less than our offer to go somewhere else?  Please provide your source.  If this occurred how any occurrences?   I can see this happening if there is a regional pull somewhere else and the numbers are close but not on a global basis.  Would love to see that information. Thx.

Bobby and Gerry mentioned during this morning's show our NIL offer for the LB Alliegro that we lost out on was considerably more. It could very well be regional but I pose the question because we haven't seen players flocking to us either with the $, the OB/offense, SEC, brand, culture, education, and city  advantage that we supposedly have. Something seems off right now and we only have 8 days to fill all the roster spots (outside of the playoff teams). 

Edited 17 hours ago by ChanmanV

[Rocky P]

10 minutes ago, ChanmanV said:

Bobby and Gerry mentioned during this morning's show our NIL offer for the LB Alliegro that we lost out on was considerably more. It could very well be regional but I pose the question because we haven't seen players flocking to us either with the $, the OB/offense, SEC, brand, culture, education, and city  advantage that we supposedly have. Something seems off right now and we only have 8 days to fill all the roster spots (outside of the playoff teams). 

everyone thinks it's all about the money, and it is for the lower end talent.  The elite talent that is going to play on sundays, aren't as concerned with the bag.  We lost every other player to the school they were leaving, they chose loyalty over money.  We lost Alliegro to tOSU.  He is from connecticut, so probably a patriots fan (Patricia) + closer for his family to travel and watch him play.

[Clifton]

1 minute ago, Rocky P said:

everyone thinks it's all about the money, and it is for the lower end talent.  The elite talent that is going to play on sundays, aren't as concerned with the bag.  We lost every other player to the school they were leaving, they chose loyalty over money.  We lost Alliegro to tOSU.  He is from connecticut, so probably a patriots fan (Patricia) + closer for his family to travel and watch him play.

That's exactly how I feel. These kids are comfortable where they're at. Now did they use Texas as leverage to get money from their own school? Possibly. 

I just refuse to believe the sky is falling on the 8th of January. Even with the losses, they still have a ton of talent (and they'll add more undoubtedly). I think there is some legitimate concerns with the assessments (especially from the OL side of things last year), but I also think there is a ton of worrying for worry sake. 

[Pocono longhorn]

 Whole lot of folks on this board act like insiders, and try to spin what is clearly an awfully planned portal season. I don't know enough about it and the only one that probably does is Bobby. I doubt he will give us the actual facts out of respect to his connections but this team should have been positioned perfectly to make a run but all we get is more people leaving everyday. We have lost 25 players to the portal already and bringing in 23 freshman. I don't see the vast majority of portal entrants being forced out. If there isn't a whole lot of quality players entering very soon this team will be weaker then it was last year.

[horns96]

37 minutes ago, ChanmanV said:

Bobby and Gerry mentioned during this morning's show our NIL offer for the LB Alliegro that we lost out on was considerably more. It could very well be regional but I pose the question because we haven't seen players flocking to us either with the $, the OB/offense, SEC, brand, culture, education, and city  advantage that we supposedly have. Something seems off right now and we only have 8 days to fill all the roster spots (outside of the playoff teams). 

We have far more than 8 days to fill roster spots. 1/16 is the deadline to enter the portal, not deadline to sign players.  There will be signings for weeks after.

[Burnt Orange Horn]

All money is the same green. Texas'  culture will appeal to self motivators, but may alienate those who can not buy in.  It is important to get the buy-ins to sustain the culture.  Texas had at least 4 players play in the bowl game who could not or did not return. But they played anyway!

Contrast that to Notre Divas who had so many opt outs because of their entitled culture.  The Captains told Freeman that their  🐔💩 program may not be able to field a team.  Freeman bent over and took it like prison wife.  A real leader he is not!

🤘🏻🤘🏼🤘🤘🏽🤘🏾🤘🏿

Edited 16 hours ago by Burnt Orange Horn

[Pocono longhorn]

52 minutes ago, horns96 said:

We have far more than 8 days to fill roster spots. 1/16 is the deadline to enter the portal, not deadline to sign players.  There will be signings for weeks after.

I understand that but at what talent level? The offensive line has not been improved.The starting 5 will be average to a bit below, however if injuries occur who is filling the holes? Are we wishing that there is a flood of talent coming in the next 8 days? I hope so but I doubt it. Will there be offensive linemen from the final 4 teams that flood the portal? I sure hope so,but I doubt it and it doesn't seem like Texas is the destination for any of them.

[AZ Longhorn]

5 hours ago, Pound Town said:

It's all about the money. Each school's desirability is contingent on the money it offers to a player. 

If only. We offered more — sometimes significantly more — on each of Baugh, Woods, Isaac Brown, the Michigan OLs, and Alliegro, but all took less money to play elsewhere. We need fewer change-averse homebodies and more money-grubbing whores!!

[BabyBevo]

So there’s obviously been a change of thinking within the Texas brass of paying players that will contribute right away vs developing and paying freshmen. This is clearly year 1 of that change with a great freshmen class coming in. Everyone needs to simmer a bit especially WR wise. Coleman will be a luxury and what would feel like a Christmas bonus but it’s not the end of the world. WR’s was the worst it’s been since Sark’s got here separation wise and now we’ll have more speed and twitch with these young get dudes. Losing Parker isn’t a big deal at all other than Arch gets a new roommate lol. 

[ChanmanV]

8 hours ago, horns96 said:

We have far more than 8 days to fill roster spots. 1/16 is the deadline to enter the portal, not deadline to sign players.  There will be signings for weeks after.

True but the cream of the crop will be gone in 2 weeks. We'll just be filling bodies after that. 

[ChanmanV]

4 hours ago, BabyBevo said:

So there’s obviously been a change of thinking within the Texas brass of paying players that will contribute right away vs developing and paying freshmen. This is clearly year 1 of that change with a great freshmen class coming in. Everyone needs to simmer a bit especially WR wise. Coleman will be a luxury and what would feel like a Christmas bonus but it’s not the end of the world. WR’s was the worst it’s been since Sark’s got here separation wise and now we’ll have more speed and twitch with these young get dudes. Losing Parker isn’t a big deal at all other than Arch gets a new roommate lol. 

It's not the WR that's concerning as much as not getting the elite OL or LB in the portal which are arguably our 2 biggest needs. Either we have been pretty unlucky with targets or there is something else going on we aren't talking about. I'm not quite sure yet. 

[ChanmanV]

8 hours ago, Pocono longhorn said:

 Whole lot of folks on this board act like insiders, and try to spin what is clearly an awfully planned portal season. I don't know enough about it and the only one that probably does is Bobby. I doubt he will give us the actual facts out of respect to his connections but this team should have been positioned perfectly to make a run but all we get is more people leaving everyday. We have lost 25 players to the portal already and bringing in 23 freshman. I don't see the vast majority of portal entrants being forced out. If there isn't a whole lot of quality players entering very soon this team will be weaker then it was last year.

I think it's very possible that we underestimated regional pull for the players or even missing the playoffs this year. Allieggro and Peak stayed generally in the same region. The rest of the players stayed with their said team. Money has played a bigger role in retention than it has in acquisition which is something to note as well.

[whereiend]

It's a shocking change from the rest of college football history but IMO 5 star recruiting classes are now a liability. Without long term contracts it simply doesn't pay to be in the game of player development.

If we spend our money retaining these young players that have proven nothing we will lose to the Indiana and Tech's of the world that are stacking proven 23 year old players in the portal.

I think the sweet spot is getting some of the 2nd and 3rd year players that are ready to contribute but have a little growth ahead of them as well.  E.g. Mosley, Watson, etc. Then we have some continuity without blowing money bench riding 18 year olds.

[Califashorn75]

Come on dude. We're Texas. Of course we are a desirable place to come to. But money has changed the paradigm. We are adapting to it. I am not panicked like so many on here.