Texas Tech and Sorsby have no shame.

[Roy Hinojosa]

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[Joe Zura]

 

[Lock n Horns]

Lubbock is the moral compass of college athletics!

[HookEmLonghorns]

Texas Tech getting deep into the sunken cost fallacy 

[CJ Vogel]

They're doing what any school would do after a $6M investment gone wrong.

[Colby TS]

I hope I’m wrong, but I think Sorsby will end up winning this in court and play the entire season for Tech.

[harveycmd]

Just now, Colby TS said:

I hope I’m wrong, but I think Sorsby will end up winning this in court and play the entire season for Tech.

I doubt this is true. Every sports league, conference, association, whatever you call it, has rules against players gambling. This is not about the right to make money like all the other cases the NCAA has lost.

[Colby TS]

11 minutes ago, harveycmd said:

I doubt this is true. Every sports league, conference, association, whatever you call it, has rules against players gambling. This is not about the right to make money like all the other cases the NCAA has lost.

Oh, I fully agree with you. But like Bobby somewhat pointed out a few weeks ago about the lawyer taking the case — the guy is a killer in the courtroom. He’s not going to take a case unless he sees a path to win. And when he was betting on his own team in 2022, he wasn’t even legally allowed to gamble.

I know the courts are supposed to be unbiased, but come on — a judge in Lubbock will be overseeing the injunction. I could definitely see it swinging Sorsby’s way.

But at the same time, this sure seems like it should be a fairly open-and-shut case based on the precedents already set in previous rulings, like the Iowa State players’ betting scandal.

Edited 50 minutes ago by Colby TS

[Bobby Burton]

I 100-percent agree with the headline of this post.

[harveycmd]

Just now, Colby TS said:

Oh, I fully agree with you. But like Bobby somewhat pointed out a few weeks ago about the lawyer taking the case — the guy is a killer in the courtroom. He’s not going to take a case unless he sees a path to win. And when he was betting on his own team in 2022, he wasn’t even legally allowed to gamble.

I know the courts are supposed to be unbiased, but come on — a judge in Lubbock will be overseeing the injunction. I could definitely see it swinging Sorsby’s way.

This is a federal court, not a state court in which the judge is elected. Even if the judge miraculously made the incorrect ruling, it would immediately be appealed to the Fifth Circuit in New Orleans (the appellant court that has jurisdiction of Texas in federal court) and overturned. 

Who the lawyer is doesn't matter in this case. There's no legal ground or precedent for Sorsby to legitimately argue. Most lawyers will take a case to make money even if they know they can't win. 

[Lnghrn]

The integrity of the game is on the line if he’s allowed to play.  It sets a bad precedent if he’s allowed to play as it has far reaching implications to professional and college sports.   Given the number of games this Sorsby bet on he obviously has a gambling issue. I watched the Cincinnati game vs BYU last year.  The guy made some bad interceptions.  Makes me wonder if the guy had money on the game. 

[Tres Comas]

[Colby TS]

7 minutes ago, harveycmd said:

This is a federal court, not a state court in which the judge is elected. Even if the judge miraculously made the incorrect ruling, it would immediately be appealed to the Fifth Circuit in New Orleans (the appellant court that has jurisdiction of Texas in federal court) and overturned. 

Who the lawyer is doesn't matter in this case. There's no legal ground or precedent for Sorsby to legitimately argue. Most lawyers will take a case to make money even if they know they can't win. 

Oh interesting, I wouldn’t know the first thing about the court system, so I didn’t realize it would be in federal court and not state court. Is that also how it works when players ask for another year of eligibility? Does that go through federal court too, or state court?

[harveycmd]

1 minute ago, Colby TS said:

Oh interesting, I wouldn’t know the first thing about the court system, so I didn’t realize it would be in federal court and not state court. Is that also how it works when players ask for another year of eligibility? Does that go through federal court too, or state court?

Most of the eligibility cases have been in state courts for reasons I won't get into because it would take a while to explain. 

I haven't looked at the jurisdictional specifics in this case, but I must presume the monetary transactions that constitute at least some of the bets involve interstate commerce and therefore immediately results in federal priority. 

Epistemically speaking, this is an a priori matter. While there's no specific mention of competitive sports in the Constitution, it's undeniable that allowing players to gamble on games in which the participate would make competitive sports untenable, which is why every sports league or group does not allow it.

[Gerry Hamilton]

Every Texas Tech coach, member of the program and big money booster should be really ashamed to have any part in this.

How many speeches have Joey McGuire and his staff given to high school kids and parents, and college kids over the years on team, culture, doing the right things, etc… 

I really like McGuire, he always been awesome to me for well over a decade, but it’s truly pathetic and height of hypocrisy if he or his staff are supporting this attempt at eligibility after betting on his own team at Indiana.

[Jeff05]

44 minutes ago, CJ Vogel said:

They're doing what any school would do after a $6M investment gone wrong.

Not any school would do this.  You get out of your investment and cut your losses.  You don’t stay attached. 

[Jeff05]

“The filing includes Sorsby's betting on events he didn't follow such as the Turkish basketball league and Romanian soccer matches.

"To be clear, I never placed any bets 'against' Indiana or against any players on the team," Sorsby said in the included affidavit. "I never used any non-public information that I knew about the team in deciding what bets to place. My bets were purely intended to make me feel more connected to the game and my teammates and to give me more of a reason to root for my teammates. Because the Indiana football team was not a very strong competitor in 2022, I lost most of the bets I placed.”

 

[hookem1014]

46 minutes ago, Colby TS said:

I hope I’m wrong, but I think Sorsby will end up winning this in court and play the entire season for Tech.

This would set a disastrous legal precedence for the NCAA if it happens 

[HelloThere]

If the NCAA can't win this one in court then I am not sure what they can win.  On this one, it would not be the NCAA's fault either. 

[harveycmd]

17 minutes ago, Jeff05 said:

“The filing includes Sorsby's betting on events he didn't follow such as the Turkish basketball league and Romanian soccer matches.

"To be clear, I never placed any bets 'against' Indiana or against any players on the team," Sorsby said in the included affidavit. "I never used any non-public information that I knew about the team in deciding what bets to place. My bets were purely intended to make me feel more connected to the game and my teammates and to give me more of a reason to root for my teammates. Because the Indiana football team was not a very strong competitor in 2022, I lost most of the bets I placed.”

 

This is hilarious. His feelings of "connection" have nothing to do with the principle involved, which is players can't be permitted to gamble on teams of which they are a member. 

[Alex Butler]

1 hour ago, CJ Vogel said:

They're doing what any school would do after a $6M investment gone wrong.

Lol, 6M and counting with those legal fees!