OTF Premium Thoughts on the ugly loss

[Beldar]

3 minutes ago, TheRoJoShow said:

Bama lost to the #1 team by a FG

They still lost at home. Way we played today , both would have blown us out . 

 

[harveycmd]

6 minutes ago, Beldar said:

Hell , let's give up and clean house and start over. Has not worked well in the past for us. Oregon, LSU, Florida, Aggie, Bama , lost today also. We flat gave one away today no question . Myself, I am hoping the team don't give up like their fan base. 

All true. Our problems are much less pressing than all but about half a dozen teams. 

Special teams, penalties and Arch's mistakes are definitely frustrating. All of these can be fixed. Play calling is not a problem. 

[AusMOJO]

I just realized that Sark is now 3-3 in this game and 2-2 with Venables. 

[harveycmd]

Just now, AusMOJO said:

I just realized that Sark is now 3-3 in this game and 2-2 with Venables. 

It's 3-2 against Venables, but the two losses are mind numbing.

[Guts]

Well this loss might actually end up being good for my mental health. I was getting WAY too invested and tripping out every Saturday. 

[UT Longhorn]

8 minutes ago, Guts said:

Well this loss might actually end up being good for my mental health. I was getting WAY too invested and tripping out every Saturday. 

This loss may do a lot of things, but it won't improve our mental health 😆 🤘🏼

[whereiend]

Its wild that Sark actually thinks him being his own OC is in the best interest of the program. The dude is completely delusional. How many years of mediocre offense with elite talent until he realizes he can't do both of these jobs?

[harveycmd]

2 minutes ago, whereiend said:

Its wild that Sark actually thinks him being his own OC is in the best interest of the program. The dude is completely delusional. How many years of mediocre offense with elite talent until he realizes he can't do both of these jobs?

This is the thing I just can't understand. The best NFL head coaches have called their own plays since the league began. Why do college fan bases think their head coach can't call plays? In fact, the best play callers in the NFL are head coaches (Shanahan, McVay, Reid, Johnson). This doesn't mean Sark is the best play caller now, but it certainly doesn't mean it can't be done. 

[whereiend]

Just now, harveycmd said:

This is the thing I just can't understand. The best NFL head coaches have called their own plays since the league began. Why do college fan bases think their head coach can't call plays? In fact, the best play callers in the NFL are head coaches (Shanahan, McVay, Reid, Johnson). This doesn't mean Sark is the best play caller now, but it certainly doesn't mean it can't be done. 

For me it's not even about "calling plays", it is coordinating the offense. This system sucks and is poorly coordinated, independent of the play calling on Saturday.

[harveycmd]

1 minute ago, whereiend said:

For me it's not even about "calling plays", it is coordinating the offense. This system sucks and is poorly coordinated, independent of the play calling on Saturday.

Saying the system sucks and is poorly coordinated is a bit strong. Special teams and Arch lost the game, not offensive coordination. You can certainly argue that many of Arch's mistakes ultimately land at Sark's feet, but that doesn't mean the "system" sucks.

[UT Longhorn]

3 minutes ago, harveycmd said:

This is the thing I just can't understand. The best NFL head coaches have called their own plays since the league began. Why do college fan bases think their head coach can't call plays? In fact, the best play callers in the NFL are head coaches (Shanahan, McVay, Reid, Johnson). This doesn't mean Sark is the best play caller now, but it certainly doesn't mean it can't be done. 

I can't say for certain why it works or doesn't work in the NFL, but there's plenty of evidence that it hasn't typically worked in college. Is it possible a college head coach has more day to day responsibilities than an NFL coach? Like recruiting for instance. 

[HawkDriver]

Sark calls an offense his team cannot support.  The o-line can’t support deep route concepts and arch can’t throw shorter routes.  We could run the ball, but that’s hard out of 2nd and 10.  It looks, to me anyway, the team should be a 60/40 run team with passes built off of that, but sark isn’t willing to do it.  So what you get is a clunky poorly timed offense with no rhythm.

[camridleyfan]

I miss Bo, this just came across my feed. Muschamp really the only flamethrower on the staff.

[harveycmd]

6 minutes ago, UT Longhorn said:

I can't say for certain why it works or doesn't work in the NFL, but there's plenty of evidence that it hasn't typically worked in college. Is it possible a college head coach has more day to day responsibilities than an NFL coach? Like recruiting for instance. 

Perhaps, but the level of skill, complexity and attention to detail required for daily preparation and practice are certainly much greater in the NFL. That's certainly just as time consuming as worrying about recruiting.

Having said that, people who think Saban and Kirby didn't call their own defense during their respective championship seasons are smoking something illegal. They may not have officially claimed to call the plays, but you can be your house that they did.

Edited 20 minutes ago by harveycmd

[whereiend]

7 minutes ago, harveycmd said:

Saying the system sucks and is poorly coordinated is a bit strong. Special teams and Arch lost the game, not offensive coordination. You can certainly argue that many of Arch's mistakes ultimately land at Sark's feet, but that doesn't mean the "system" sucks.

I think Sark's system makes playing college football way too difficult. Arch is put in very difficult positions on a regular basis. I'd like to see a system that makes life easy for the players instead.

I also think the execution is just very poor game after game, season after season. The play calls often work on paper, but the players just can't get it done. Well guess what, that is Sark's job: to get the players to execute the damn play.

 

No doubt about special teams. Banks is an even bigger blind spot for Sark. Another thing that sucks game after game, season after season.

[Dr. Love]

It was a butt kicking that Sark needed.  There needs to be some changes to the offensive philosophy and unfortunately I think this is the only way those changes take place.  

[harveycmd]

When the OC/play calling thing comes up, Sark always says he was hired to call plays. That being the case, he isn't going to stop unless the people who can fire him tell him to stop.

I suspect Sark wants to be a play calling head coach in the NFL one day, and that won't happen if he stops calling plays in college. That means the only option is to fire him if you don't want him to be the OC/play caller. That's clearly unreasonable at this point.

Banks as special teams coordinator is a different story.

[whereiend]

23 minutes ago, harveycmd said:

This is the thing I just can't understand. The best NFL head coaches have called their own plays since the league began. Why do college fan bases think their head coach can't call plays? In fact, the best play callers in the NFL are head coaches (Shanahan, McVay, Reid, Johnson). This doesn't mean Sark is the best play caller now, but it certainly doesn't mean it can't be done. 

Who said a coach can't call plays? I just think Steve Sarkisian is a bad offensive coordinator right now. I'd have no problem with him calling plays if he was a good coordinator, but he isn't.

Imagine how bad Mack Brown would have been if he insisted on being his own offensive coordinator? We're not quite there but damn it gets closer every year.

 

[harveycmd]

3 minutes ago, Dr. Love said:

It was a butt kicking that Sark needed.  There needs to be some changes to the offensive philosophy and unfortunately I think this is the only way those changes take place.  

We gained more yards on the criminals than any team all season. Not even close. Arch gave them ten points and Banks gave them seven. That's what lost the game, not the offense.

[whereiend]

1 minute ago, harveycmd said:

When the OC/play calling thing comes up, Sark always says he was hired to call plays. That being the case, he isn't going to stop unless the people who can fire him tell him to stop.

I suspect Sark wants to be a play calling head coach in the NFL one day, and that won't happen if he stops calling plays in college. That means the only option is to fire him if you don't want him to be the OC/play caller. That's clearly unreasonable at this point.

Banks as special teams coordinator is a different story.

Yea that quote really scares me, I'm not going to lie. In theory I like the idea of CEO coach Sark, but I think he may be too delusional and narcissistic to ever give us that.

[harveycmd]

Just now, whereiend said:

Who said a coach can't call plays? I just think Steve Sarkisian is a bad offensive coordinator right now. I'd have no problem with him calling plays if he was a good coordinator, but he isn't.

Imagine how bad Mack Brown would have been if he insisted on being his own offensive coordinator? We're not quite there but damn it gets closer every year.

 

Sark hasn't lost five in a row to the criminals, and he's certainly never been beaten 63-14 by them.

[whereiend]

2 minutes ago, harveycmd said:

Sark hasn't lost five in a row to the criminals, and he's certainly never been beaten 63-14 by them.

Lol well Sark isn't going against Stoops in his prime either.

[harveycmd]

Just now, whereiend said:

Lol well Sark isn't going against Stoops in his prime either.

Sark beat the hell out of Stoops in prime in the 2004 title game, and he was 30 at the time.

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No comments, but I am now playing Jeff Howe's game of pepto bismol beer pong.