I gotta nitpick you Bobby and Gerry

[Nathan Ross]

27 minutes ago, HornsUpThumbsDown said:

 No way he’s going to the league 

There’s no way he’s going to the league?    Or no way…..he’s going to the league?

[Bobby Burton]

I think Gerry’s done a fine job of discussing his pov.

For me, you asked about my general dismissal of Quinn’s injury and my expectation for relatively weak offensive output.

First, I just don’t buy the injury being a major factor at this point. I certainly didn’t buy it against Vanderbilt and I didn’t against OU or Georgie either.

If you’re good enough to play, then you play. And Quinn’s injury - one to his oblique - didn’t cause his real issues in those games, which was his lack of feel for the game and movement in the pocket. His oblique does not or should not effect his feet, not like what we saw any way.

As for expectations of Texas scoring, I admit I was off by some there. But what am I supposed to do when basically the previous two games Texas scored 15 and 27 points?

Even with their injuries, I think Florida has more talent on D than Vandy. But perhaps I discounted Vandy’s scheme somewhat. And I think Sark also opted not to use as many squeeze splits against Florida. That’s part of the equation that I didn’t account for, too.

[pack.swear]

27 minutes ago, Bobby Burton said:

I think Gerry’s done a fine job of discussing his pov.

For me, you asked about my general dismissal of Quinn’s injury and my expectation for relatively weak offensive output.

First, I just don’t buy the injury being a major factor at this point. I certainly didn’t buy it against Vanderbilt and I didn’t against OU or Georgie either.

If you’re good enough to play, then you play. And Quinn’s injury - one to his oblique - didn’t cause his real issues in those games, which was his lack of feel for the game and movement in the pocket. His oblique does not or should not effect his feet, not like what we saw any way.

As for expectations of Texas scoring, I admit I was off by some there. But what am I supposed to do when basically the previous two games Texas scored 15 and 27 points?

Even with their injuries, I think Florida has more talent on D than Vandy. But perhaps I discounted Vandy’s scheme somewhat. And I think Sark also opted not to use as many squeeze splits against Florida. That’s part of the equation that I didn’t account for, too.

I agree; I don't buy injuries; if they impact your play that much, don't be out there. I wonder if putting Quinn out there, after 3 weeks of not playing, against back-to-back elite defenses impacted his play. Perhaps playing poorly against Oklahoma led to some confidence issues against UGA (that part was certain; even when guys were open, he wasn't throwing to them), and it spiraled. I'm not saying that's what happened, but food for thought maybe 

[Lavalulu]

Interesting conversation folks.  Appreciate all points of view.  Hope you don’t mind me chiming in?

Number one—I want Texas to win the Natty.  I believe strongly that Texas has the pieces this year to win the whole thing.

Number two—yes Quinn was injured. And it allowed me to watch another quarterback who is not only more athletic, but looked extremely polished.  Like it or not, something that’s been seen cannot be unseen.

Number Three—Texas cannot afford to treat Quinn like an untouchable golden cow (excuse the pun). We can’t allow his injury to be an excuse because we simply have run out of time.  
 

Therefore All avenues must be explored in order to achieve the win—including improving Quinn’s technique which in turn will improve his accuracy.  Quinn will be placed under duress in the next coming weeks and he needs to be at his best for every game moving forward. 

 

 

[TexasMDcoach]

I’ve said before, as others do above, the injury really set him back but we are seeing the physical recovery now.  I think he will pass Gerry’s A&M test but it’s taken time to mentally get back where he needs to be. Yes, physically he had to recover which he now fully has, but mentally he is almost there. 
 

Watching this process has also been good for Arch as his back up to see and will pay dividends in his progression in future times when he has to overcome adversity. 
 

The between the ears lessons are often the hardest.

[Jarveaux]

20 hours ago, Gerry Hamilton said:

All good. It’s what makes this fun and interesting 

Quinn is what he is at this point for me. 

He’s a very good QB without pressure on him, which was yesterday. Elite in the intermediate game.

The game Saturday wasn’t going to bring out his issue. He’s not a high-level QB playing in the pocket under duress. Will A&M being the lone team remaining to be able to apply that level of pressure? We shall see 

Quinn going to be drafted high in NFL in my opinion. His laid back personality is conducive to all this nit picking. Without Quinn we probably would be 5-3 . Your right Gerry it is what he is & that’s the next Patrick Mahomes!

[Thanos72]

17 hours ago, Orngblud05 said:

I mean, maybe.  But go back as far as you need to go and show me a better 33 minutes of game action than 75% completion, 400 yards and 7 td’s (this assumes Moore catches both balls he dropped). Just doesn’t happen often.  If someone wants to nitpick mechanics be my guest. 

Good grief. You’re looking at this game in a vacuum while others see that the problems he has weren’t going to surface yesterday. Even yesterday, guys were turning to catch the ball, slowing down, etc. It’s fools good until we see it against a pressuring defense front. The real problem is his footwork and pocket awareness are pretty much set in year 3. Also, one has to wonder if Arch got the 2 bye weeks and starts if he wouldn’t pass the inconsistency of Ewers and offer a much better floor. I don’t think Arch is ready to lead to a chip but Ewers doesn’t seem to be either. 
 

Hopefully, michiquinn surfaces the rest of the year. We all want that but not at the expense of softening the analysis when reviewing a game. 

 

[Orngblud05]

2 minutes ago, Thanos72 said:

Good grief. You’re looking at this game in a vacuum while others see that the problems he has weren’t going to surface yesterday. Even yesterday, guys were turning to catch the ball, slowing down, etc. It’s fools good until we see it against a pressuring defense front. The real problem is his footwork and pocket awareness are pretty much set in year 3. Also, one has to wonder if Arch got the 2 bye weeks and starts if he wouldn’t pass the inconsistency of Ewers and offer a much better floor. I don’t think Arch is ready to lead to a chip but Ewers doesn’t seem to be either. 
 

Hopefully, michiquinn surfaces the rest of the year. We all want that but not at the expense of softening the analysis when reviewing a game. 

 

Nobody has yet to explain to me how through 2.5 games Quinn was the heisman front runner.  He gets hurt. Then all of a sudden he’s the same guy as year one in year 3.  The injury happened is the answer.  BUT, the bigger point of my post was that there is a bit of a negative slant coming from this site when the team is 8-1 and ranked #3. Gerry more or less dismissed his A/A+ performance against florida. Give credit where it’s due.  I don’t think I ever said this proves he can go slay the best defenses and that he should be 1/1.  

[Thanos72]

The team slayed. 

Heisman was hype. 

I assume you’re a grown a$$ so no one needs to convince you to believe your thoughts.

The fact that not everyone sees his greatness to your degree means nothing. Not agreeing with it also doesn’t mean negativity. It’s simply a different view. Ewers played as he should given the time and game circumstances. He met expectations versus exerting himself as back. Just my opinion. Clearly the green grass parted for you. All good. I hope he is “back” and more. 
 

Hook em!

[HookemHorns]

Two possibilities:

1) Quinn’s injury led to him playing poorly against OU, Georgia, and Vandy (due to physical and mental components)

2) The first 3 games were fake news and Quinn actually hadn’t improved, as evidenced by the OU, Georgia, and Vandy games.

I know which one seems more plausible to my eyes.

[thatdude2]

Y’all have missed the mark. Instead of typing about it, go learn the game, and go coach some where. Sports psychology 101…the game is more mental than physical. Instead of breaking down Quinn physically, breakdown the mental components of his psyche. What are some things that could have impacted him mentally between Michigan and Georgia. 

[Inspired73]

On 11/10/2024 at 10:58 AM, David Latiolais said:

I will also argue about how Texas runs the ball. I watched Florida and Mississippi run the ball against Georgia between the Tackles and have success. George has to much speed to think you can run outside against them. You can run at LB #11, but if he is on the edge no way. Texas OL can wear down a DL, and have a lot of running yardage in the 4th qt. Even with Blue and Tray. TX gives up to soon on the run, or just refused to even try. My opinion. Thanks

I too would like to see more off tackle slants and QB escapes.  However, Florida routinely had 6 in the box.  Their defensive philosophy was 'stop the run dead' and QE will wilt under pressure.  That philosophy didn't really work.  Ultimately the volume of swings forced the linebackers to stay put!   Swing passes are really just outside runs. To be accurate, those things should be removed from passing stats and added to run stats.

[Lavalulu]

Thank the elite Oline which gave Quinn time to throw the ball where it needed to go to win the game.

Bottom line is this team has the pieces to win the Natty.  I think we all know this.  This is about needing Quinn to be his best for the grueling games to come 

[HornsUpThumbsDown]

On 11/10/2024 at 9:21 PM, Nathan Ross said:

There’s no way he’s going to the league?    Or no way…..he’s going to the league?

He is going. 

[Gerry Hamilton]

17 hours ago, thatdude2 said:

Y’all have missed the mark. Instead of typing about it, go learn the game, and go coach some where. Sports psychology 101…the game is more mental than physical. Instead of breaking down Quinn physically, breakdown the mental components of his psyche. What are some things that could have impacted him mentally between Michigan and Georgia. 

I would say both are true

The question that will have to be answered for Quinn long term in the NFL for me … does he have the reactive feet and body quickness to maneuver in the NFL. 

That’s my big Q. Because without it, it will always be a personal struggle against the elite football athletes in the world, and thus require more perfect pockets to have success.

You can get by in college, although there are times it becomes glaring when teams can create consistent pressure in a game. 

Quinn is going to have to prove he can make plays when it’s chaotic in the pocket… Georgia is every week in the NFL for QB’s IMO.

If A&M can create similar to that scenario against Quinn … it’s imperative Quinn reacts and delivers a better performance than UGA game. If he does, that will help him quite a bit with NFL people IMO. If he doesn’t, there will be more questions in this regard.

He will be tremendous in the on air workouts in pre-draft … can that overcome? Not out of the question. 

[Nathan Larson]

On 11/10/2024 at 9:32 PM, Bobby Burton said:

I think Gerry’s done a fine job of discussing his pov.

For me, you asked about my general dismissal of Quinn’s injury and my expectation for relatively weak offensive output.

First, I just don’t buy the injury being a major factor at this point. I certainly didn’t buy it against Vanderbilt and I didn’t against OU or Georgie either.

If you’re good enough to play, then you play. And Quinn’s injury - one to his oblique - didn’t cause his real issues in those games, which was his lack of feel for the game and movement in the pocket. His oblique does not or should not effect his feet, not like what we saw any way.

As for expectations of Texas scoring, I admit I was off by some there. But what am I supposed to do when basically the previous two games Texas scored 15 and 27 points?

Even with their injuries, I think Florida has more talent on D than Vandy. But perhaps I discounted Vandy’s scheme somewhat. And I think Sark also opted not to use as many squeeze splits against Florida. That’s part of the equation that I didn’t account for, too.

Bobby,.the squeeze/compressed splits and running them less I believe helped the pass protection and lack of false starts. I also think after Florida that the full starts from the squeeze compressed formations because they were two jumpy because of the past protection they were trying to pick up now with more quote spread formations it's easier for everybody to read that defense therefore a lot of it has gotten reduced and easier to read which is what I believe this offense was needing. Into a point it wasn't just one thing I believe it was a combination of things that led to that Georgia loss being close to Vandy and now doing what we had to do against a beat up Florida team. 

[thatdude2]

12 hours ago, Gerry Hamilton said:

I would say both are true

The question that will have to be answered for Quinn long term in the NFL for me … does he have the reactive feet and body quickness to maneuver in the NFL. 

That’s my big Q. Because without it, it will always be a personal struggle against the elite football athletes in the world, and thus require more perfect pockets to have success.

You can get by in college, although there are times it becomes glaring when teams can create consistent pressure in a game. 

Quinn is going to have to prove he can make plays when it’s chaotic in the pocket… Georgia is every week in the NFL for QB’s IMO.

If A&M can create similar to that scenario against Quinn … it’s imperative Quinn reacts and delivers a better performance than UGA game. If he does, that will help him quite a bit with NFL people IMO. If he doesn’t, there will be more questions in this regard.

He will be tremendous in the on air workouts in pre-draft … can that overcome? Not out of the question. 

USFL Legened Baby!!!….thanks for the response Gerry