Rank these six teams after the last two days

[harveycmd]

8 minutes ago, CHorn427 said:

7-0 vs Ohio State in Columbus through 3 quarters isn’t the same thing that happened in Ames in 2015. Also, football is a 4 quarter game, so the “through 3 quarters” stuff is bs. Arch had 170 through 4 quarters. That 4th quarter wasn’t garbage time. A key mantra in football is the 4th quarter is the most important quarter. Let’s not forget that when trying to make a guy’s stats look worse than they wound up being at the final. 

You’re being overly doom and gloom about losing a one possession game on the road while outgaining your proposed #1 team in the country by over 100 yds. 

The partial game stats comparison needs context. As Gerry himself pointed out, Patricia didn't "decide" to let Texas run all over them in the third quarter. Day didn't want to let Texas have a chance to tie the game late. 

[Waxahorn]

I believe the rankings should not come out until the middle of the season. The rankings as of now are meaningless.

[CHorn427]

Ohio State

Miami

LSU

Texas

Notre Dame

Clemson

Arch Manning will correct the issues he was having with easy completions. He is a better QB than the Carr guy. Texas also probably has the best defense in the country. Wisner looks like he will run for 1000 yds again this season and looks like we can get 500+ at least from Baxter. I could see both of them going for 1000+, honestly 

[CHorn427]

5 minutes ago, harveycmd said:

The partial game stats comparison needs context. As Gerry himself pointed out, Patricia didn't "decide" to let Texas run all over them in the third quarter. Day didn't want to let Texas have a chance to tie the game late. 

The partial game stats just need to stop. I can see discounting 4th quarter stats if the 4th quarter wasn’t garbage time. It wasn’t. Ask Ohio State fans if they felt comfortable with Texas on the 50 with 2 minutes left. I wouldn’t have been.

Honestly, I think I would rather have a guy in Arch’s position start slow and get stronger as the game went on, which is what happened. That tells me it was nerves and the guy is a gamer at heart. Starting fast and then fading is more alarming. 

Edited 10 hours ago by CHorn427

[CHorn427]

I’m putting a lot of stock in Miami- Cristobal is an OL guy and their OL looks good, good WRs that can catch the ball, good defense, Beck looks back to 2023 form now that his receivers don’t have alligator arms. As long as they never have to kneel the ball this year they should be good.

[CHorn427]

What I think the actual rankings will be:

OSU

PSU

UGA

LSU

Miami

Notre Dame

Texas

Oregon (might be ahead of Texas)

South Carolina

Clemson

 

 

[harveycmd]

12 minutes ago, CHorn427 said:

What I think the actual rankings will be:

OSU

PSU

UGA

LSU

Miami

Notre Dame

Texas

Oregon (might be ahead of Texas)

South Carolina

Clemson

 

 

I can't see ND ahead of Texas. There's a big difference between OSU and Miami. Miami's defense isn't a high level defense. 

Ohio State

Penn State

Georgia

LSU

Texas

Miami

Oregon

Clemson

Notre Dame

Arizona State

 

Watched Gerry's boy Leavitt. He didn't exactly look like a world beater to me. 

[DanielOnorato]

1 hour ago, Gerry Hamilton said:

How would you rank them?

LSU

OHio State

Miami

Notre Dame 

Clemson 

Texas 

For weekly poll 

Ohio State

LSU

Miami

Texas

Clemson

Notre.Dame

 

Long term this season

Texas 

Ohio state

LSU

Clemson

Notre Dame

Miami

[GDI]

1 hour ago, Gerry Hamilton said:

How would you rank them?

LSU

OHio State

Miami

Notre Dame 

Clemson 

Texas 

Ohio State

LSU

MiamI

Clemson

Notre Dame

Texas (right now our QB isn't good-Expect him to improve as season goes on)

[DanielOnorato]

6 minutes ago, GDI said:

Ohio State

LSU

MiamI

Clemson

Notre Dame

Texas (right now our QB isn't good-Expect him to improve as season goes on)

I feel in a way this loss is best case for Arch considering he was the let down. The boys played well around him. I think it lights a fire and alleviates the pressure to a degree. It elevates it to win but lessens it for a Heisman.  Let him take live reps and grow so his next big game he's ready. I thought he would have been ready entering year three but sometimes you're too ready. You want it too much and you press to show who and what you are so quickly you lose sight and track of what actually makes you an asset. That's life experience, growth etc. He settled in a bit and that deep layered throw to Endries was like Peyton. 

I was pissed and frustrated watching the game but with Gods grace a night of sleep allowed me to see the big picture. This is a damn well rounded football team and Arch is his own worst critic, he will be a big time player for this University. 

[whereiend]

In the analytical power rankings (e.g FPI and SP+) we're going to move *up* after the game vs OSU. We significantly out gained them not only in total yards but also per-play. We lost because of a few 4th downs and penalties, which an analytics person would call bad luck.

I do think Arch obviously has to play much better but the team around is pretty damn well positioned. And we have 3 weeks of patsies to tune up the passing game on.

Personally I'd put us #2 of this group. Neither Clemson nor LSU was particularly great last year, so I'm not a believer on them yet. Remember how pathetic that Clemson defense was? Notre Dame lost a lot and doesn't recruit like OSU and Texas. Do we really believe Miami has a good defense now, or was ND just a bit limited themselves?

We'll see how it plays out.

Edited 8 hours ago by whereiend

[pinkman_90]

7 hours ago, Gerry Hamilton said:

Yes Texas can. 40 yards passing in 3 quarters. First time since 2015 Texas hadn’t scored in the first 3 quarters in a game. 

Listen im as frustrated as anyone with the game but this just feels like over correcting on Texas because you watch them more closely.  Klubnik was horrendous at home against a worse defense.  Horrendous.  Not since Quinn vs UGA have I seen a QB navigate a pocket that poorly.  
 

plus Miami and ND are both average.  I’d put us behind Ohio st and lsu.  Comfortably 3rd but could make an argument for 4th if you want to put us behind Miami because they won then fine.  
 

and if you want to use random facts it’s also the fewest yards Ohio st has gained since 2015.  Unless we’re only ranking these teams based on offense.  

Edited 3 hours ago by pinkman_90

[TexasMDcoach]

Too small a sample size.  Ask the question again in 6 weeks.

[Joe Zura]

Gerry we get it YOU ARE SALTY it’s going to be ok. Go take a mayo bath and breathe my guy!

[Gerry Hamilton]

8 hours ago, CHorn427 said:

I’m putting a lot of stock in Miami- Cristobal is an OL guy and their OL looks good, good WRs that can catch the ball, good defense, Beck looks back to 2023 form now that his receivers don’t have alligator arms. As long as they never have to kneel the ball this year they should be good.

Miami’s OL gives them a shot, and their pass rush. Legit good look for them last night. And I believe ND is a damn good team they beat … that will show September 13 IMO 

If Miami OL gives Beck time, he’ll have a good year. Where things get dicey with Beck is off schedule under duress - he gets more TO prone … but will that happen in the ACC? Not like the SEC IMO 

[Cajunhorn]

1 hour ago, pinkman_90 said:

Listen im as frustrated as anyone with the game but this just feels like over correcting on Texas because you watch them more closely.  Klubnik was horrendous at home against a worse defense.  Horrendous.  Not since Quinn vs UGA have I seen a QB navigate a pocket that poorly.  
 

plus Miami and ND are both average.  I’d put us behind Ohio st and lsu.  Comfortably 3rd but could make an argument for 4th if you want to put us behind Miami because they won then fine.  
 

and if you want to use random facts it’s also the fewest yards Ohio st has gained since 2015.  Unless we’re only ranking these teams based on offense.  

You must have missed the part where he had guys in purple and gold chasing his ass on every play. 

[Gerry Hamilton]

1 hour ago, pinkman_90 said:

Listen im as frustrated as anyone with the game but this just feels like over correcting on Texas because you watch them more closely.  Klubnik was horrendous at home against a worse defense.  Horrendous.  Not since Quinn vs UGA have I seen a QB navigate a pocket that poorly.  
 

plus Miami and ND are both average.  I’d put us behind Ohio st and lsu.  Comfortably 3rd but could make an argument for 4th if you want to put us behind Miami because they won then fine.  
 

and if you want to use random facts it’s also the fewest yards Ohio st has gained since 2015.  Unless we’re only ranking these teams based on offense.  

Totally disagree on Miami and ND. It will play out over the season 

100% agree on Texas defense. Have been saying that repeatedly. But offense wasn’t just bad Saturday, it was 8-4/9-3 bad because of putrid passing game. Run game has chance to draw 7 to box and help as season moves along. How much Arch improves will tell the story. Hate to put so much on him, but he was that putrid in game one (against a top 5 talented roster) 

[Gerry Hamilton]

Just now, Cajunhorn said:

You must have missed the part where he had guys in purple and gold chasing his ass on every play. 

Exactly 

[Gerry Hamilton]

5 hours ago, whereiend said:

In the analytical power rankings (e.g FPI and SP+) we're going to move *up* after the game vs OSU. We significantly out gained them not only in total yards but also per-play. We lost because of a few 4th downs and penalties, which an analytics person would call bad luck.

I do think Arch obviously has to play much better but the team around is pretty damn well positioned. And we have 3 weeks of patsies to tune up the passing game on.

Personally I'd put us #2 of this group. Neither Clemson nor LSU was particularly great last year, so I'm not a believer on them yet. Remember how pathetic that Clemson defense was? Notre Dame lost a lot and doesn't recruit like OSU and Texas. Do we really believe Miami has a good defense now, or was ND just a bit limited themselves?

We'll see how it plays out.

Just me … but there were some key coaching changes impacting teams early season

Clemson D will be better. Allen is a big upgrade at DC. They were bad last year. They will be competitive this year. But they don’t portal enough … see RB issues. 

Miami has new DC and multiple new starters at DB from portal. Stud LB from portal too. Bain is healthy too, which helps a lot for a new DC. They have 2-3 NFL draft picks on the DL. Their OL is terrific though IMO. Multiple NFL guys, including 1st round OT. Got one back from injury that missed all of 2024 too. 

I really like ND long term this season. Big fan of what I saw from CJ Carr in first ever game action. ND has that covered the next three years. They have talent at the right spots IMO, and a tremendous young coach. 

With that said, everyone will knock each other off throughout the season. And injuries can truly impact teams long term 

[pskjace]

The reality is, you don’t play the national champions on the road to a one score game and hold them to 200 yards total offense with a chance to tie the game in your last possession and drop below #5 or 6. And the biggest reason that Clemson must be below Texas and Notre Dame is that they were the one team out of this group that played at home with a senior QB, upperclassmen all over the place, and the crowd in a frenzy to lay that egg. 

[pinkman_90]

1 hour ago, Cajunhorn said:

You must have missed the part where he had guys in purple and gold chasing his ass on every play. 

He ran into about 10 pressures.  Missed more hot reads than one could count.  You and Gerry are way off.  Klubnik was terrible.   
 

And regardless it’s not just about Klubnik.  The Clemson offense as a whole was terrible.  And they were at home against a worse defense.  Plus their defense is worse than ours.  Ranking Clemson above Texas is a crazy over correction. I tried to tell people in July that Clemson was very overrated and was told they would wipe the floor with LSU.  

Edited 1 hour ago by pinkman_90

[Sanka Decaf]

Miami receivers bailed Beck out a few times last night.  Miami is good, and Beck showed the value of veteran experience v. inexperienced QB, but he's going to throw the ball up and make mistakes this season. 

[Sanka Decaf]

Clemson is going to have a challenging season if they can't run the ball, even as good as they are.  LSU went in and totally handled the hostile environment.  They played their game (Texas didn't get a chance to play its game).  We'll see how good LSU is - again, veteran leadership at QB showing.  But, I feel better about what Texas needs to fix v. what Clemson needs to fix (running game) this season.