Tuesday - The Future of College Sports

[Oldest Horn]

4 minutes ago, Hashtag said:

 Not going to go and grab all the articles and post them for you just so you can be dismissive once proven wrong 

Still no clue, ace. 

[Stuey22]

2 minutes ago, Hashtag said:

So you think Texas was running the same systems as Bama, Georgia, Ohio state, LSU, Oregon, Aggie, Auburn, Florida, Clemson, etc before NIL? 

Hail no! Our coach sucked!

[MBHORNSFAN]

24 minutes ago, Oldest Horn said:

What makes you think everyone affiliated with Tech is a hack? Blanket generalizations are so aggy. 

 

I hope Tech completely fails at everything. Hacks 

[Oldest Horn]

40 minutes ago, General Grant said:

i don't care what he does.  i am loving life not being in the same conference with those jackwagons.  keep it that way and he can do what he wants.

i'm very concerned about #2.  I was around for the Foster board days.

You’d rather be with aggy and all their faux army nonsense? 

[Hashtag]

2 minutes ago, Stuey22 said:

Hail no! Our coach sucked!

Why are you talking about coaching?

[Oldest Horn]

Just now, MBHORNSFAN said:

 

I hope Tech completely fails at everything. Hacks 

Ok. I guess you respect aggy for playing dress up. 

[MBHORNSFAN]

Just now, Oldest Horn said:

Ok. I guess you respect aggy for playing dress up. 

Hope they fail at everything too. 

[Oldest Horn]

Just now, Hashtag said:

Why are you talking about coaching?

Coaching isn’t part of being competitive? This explains soooooo much of your commentary on game day!

[Oldest Horn]

Just now, MBHORNSFAN said:

Hope they fail at everything too. 

I don’t really care what Tech does or doesn’t do. 

[General Grant]

2 minutes ago, Oldest Horn said:

You’d rather be with aggy and all their faux army nonsense? 

Yes.  A rivalry requires two to dance.  And beating aggy which we usually do is awesome.  Aggy and OU are rivals.  I'd like to beat Georgia and make it a rivalry.  Tech was an annoying mosquito.  No one wants to play Tech anymore.  No one wants a trip to Lubbock.  They were never a rival no more than TCU or Rape U - Waco or UH was.

Edited 4 hours ago by General Grant

[McCoy2Shipley]

Let's not forget the Tech student who shoved Barryn Sorrell to the ground in 2022 after they rushed the field. Or their antics for Beard's trip back to Lubbock. The student section at the baseball series in 2024 was kicked out on Friday night when we played there. 

[Oldest Horn]

5 minutes ago, General Grant said:

Yes.  A rivalry requires two to dance.  And beating aggy which we usually do is awesome.  Aggy and OU are rivals.  I'd like to beat Georgia and make it a rivalry.  Tech was an annoying mosquito.  No one wants to play Tech anymore.  No one wants a trip to Lubbock.  They were never a rival no more than TCU or Rape U - Waco or UH was.

Sorry, aggy isn’t our rival. We’re theirs. 

[Hashtag]

6 minutes ago, Oldest Horn said:

Coaching isn’t part of being competitive? This explains soooooo much of your commentary on game day!

Coaching wasn’t my point to him so it’s irrelevant. 

[MarkInAustin]

The disdain for TT on this board may be deserved at some level but it is unworthy as a critique of the ideas posed.

 

The notion that college sports are akin to a public trust is one that I have not previously heard or read, but it is worth considering.

The notion that college sports are leaving money on the table negotiating with the TV networks is surely true.

The notion that college athletes are under-represented in the process is probably accepted by all of us.

The notion that the NCAA bureaucracy does not serve the best interests of collegiate sports is probably accepted by all of us.

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While the B1G and the SEC would likely be the lead negotiators and greatest contributors and beneficiaries of a revamped system, considering the four ideas and incorporating them does not seem like a bridge too far, IMO.

[General Grant]

1 minute ago, Oldest Horn said:

Sorry, aggy isn’t our rival. We’re theirs. 

K

[Oldest Horn]

2 minutes ago, Hashtag said:

Coaching wasn’t my point to him so it’s irrelevant. 

You are definitely out of your depth when it comes to coaching. Glad we’re on the same page. 

[Jarveaux]

4 hours ago, Bobby Burton said:

I don’t think he makes any pretense here about his desire to make Texas Tech the best it can be.

But I also think he’s willing to have a negotiation if it means bringing $7bn more to bear on an annual basis.

What if UT got an extra $100m of that share? $100m would be a 1/70th share.

What if Texas could negotiate even more?

Bobby if Campbell was an Austin Billionaire & not a Texas Tech supporter. Everyone commenting on this article would be in favor of his thoughts. The fact it may help Texas Tech also . kinda makes for sour grapes. “ What happens here changes the World “. Let’s take a deep dive into Campbells thoughts . He’s not a multi- billionaire by being shortsighted. You never go broke taking a profit! 

[thatdude2]

I want to see it all burn down, and hopefully Texas wins a few national titles in football before the end comes 

[MBHORNSFAN]

6 minutes ago, thatdude2 said:

I want to see it all burn down, and hopefully Texas wins a few national titles in football before the end comes 

Dumb.   Why is that?  You not a sports fan?

[thatdude2]

Just now, MBHORNSFAN said:

Dumb.   Why is that?  You not a sports fan?

Same reason why people like upsets. Chaos.

[Tuco Ramirez]

1 hour ago, GoHorns1 said:

and the owners get and players richer each year the same would apply to all the schools.and student athletes.

There has also been an increase in NFL viewership. It would be very interesting to see how revenue sharing would work. There would certainly have to be tiers or something similar. There is a significant discrepancy in viewership between Texas and Texas St. There can’t be an NFL style equal sharing arrangement. So what is required to provide stability to other sports and schools with fewer viewers. Would we accept a 10% increase in revenue while Tech makes 12% for stability purposes? 

[pinkman_90]

I didn’t know there were Tech apologists on this board.  That’s even more gross than the Cody Campbell propaganda posted. 

[MBHORNSFAN]

3 minutes ago, pinkman_90 said:

I didn’t know there were Tech apologists on this board.  That’s even more gross than the Cody Campbell propaganda posted. 

It's definitely very odd. 

[General Grant]

5 minutes ago, MBHORNSFAN said:

It's definitely very odd. 

He's positioning his school to be at the big kids table next go round.  I get that.  I just don't want to play that school unless it's in the postseason.  We haven't scheduled any Big 12 schools in football since we left, I support that informal boycott.

If we're waiting on the feds to make changes, that's lol and a non partisan lol.  Washington has full blown aids all around.

The Tech apologist thing is quite odd.  Let's get the SWC back together!

[Bobby Burton]

2 hours ago, Glass Joe said:

Yeah, I think Campbell is focused on 2031 when the media rights deals of the ACC and B12 expire.  And more importantly, the CFB Playoffs contract is up for renewal.  This will mark the Waterloo of college football as many of us have always known it.

Campbell realizes the ACC powers are heading for P2 conferences (FSU, Clemson, Miami, UNC, and a few others), and the ACC as we now know it will go the way of the old Pac-12.

When this happens in 2031, you’ll have something like 40-44 schools in the P2 conferences (today, it’s 34 schools, add ND, and add the top 6-7 schools that leave the ACC in 2031 = 42 schools).

The media partners will then be faced with a big decision of the P2 conference media deals, and the CFB Playoff deal.  The issue will be:  do we close off the P2 with 42-44 schools?  Or, do we invite a few additional castoffs from the B12 and call it a 48-school P2 structure?  
 
Campbell is trying to get Tech to be one of those small handful of B12 schools that gets an invitation to the P2 in 2031, should any B12 schools get invited at all.  I imagine the P2 will wind-up at 48 schools, so that leaves 5-6 schools openings, but the B12 schools will also be competing with those non-top 6 ACC schools that haven’t already been invited into the P2 (FSU, Clemson, UNC, Miami, UVA, et al).  
 
Here is where things can get dicey.  Disney / ESPN already exclusively own the rights for the SEC and ACC schools.  They are likely to be the media partner that gets first dibs on the top ACC schools, since Disney controls their rights until 2036.  That means as the SEC expands to add top ACC schools, it’s likely to be adding schools that make sense for its geographic and demographic viewership.  That means the southeast U.S. and into the mid-Atlantic region.  More importantly, it does NOT extend to the western or midwestern U.S.

That means FOX will be the media entity selecting the final 5-6 refugee schools from among the B12 and any ACC leftovers that SEC (Disney) doesn’t want.  How will FOX approach this decision?  Well, they have already invested in the west coast (USC, UCLA, UW, Oregon), but do they want to add a few schools to form a 6-8 school division?  Say, Arizona State and a Bay Area team (Cal or Stanford)?  What about adding some presence in the mountain states (Colorado, Utah)?  Or, does FOX want to buttress its presence in the mid-Atlantic media markets (Eastern time zone) to offset SEC encroachment?  Maybe WVU or UVA or VT?

It doesn’t take too long to figure out that the B12 schools in the central / plains aren’t going to be the top choices here.  KU, ISU, KSU, Baylor, Tech, Okie State, etc.  There simply isn’t any incremental media revenue to be additive to a media rights deal by including these schools.  The Big Ten already owns the corn belt (Iowa, Nebraska, Minnesota, Illinois, Indiana), so doubling down with ISU / KSU / KU / OSU makes little sense.

I would say this to Campbell’s idea that growing the pie solves his problem:  Just  because the pie gets bigger, doesn’t mean your slice of it will too.   It’s still a competitive feeding situation, not just a bigger trough.

A quick look at B12 football viewership plummeting in the last season (sans Texas and OU) tells you all you need to know about the individual value and viability of most of the current B12 schools.  And Campbell shouldn’t expect the executives at Disney and FOX to be too dumb to realize this as well.

 

I find this whole discussion fascinating.

My take is that I like a lot of what Campbell is after. But with certain conditions applied, including the idea that certain teams/schools or conferences are worth more to any consortium.