OTF Premium Men's Hoops: Texas vs. Mississippi State (5 p.m., SEC Network)

[Jordan91]

1 minute ago, Jimmy McNulty said:

Yet each of the last 5 head coaches at Texas made the ncaa tournament their first year. Seems like miller is intent on setting all sorts of the wrong kind of history in his inaugural season

Millers face should tell you he isn’t intent on being that guy. For the money given, we got a good coach. He needs help and that’s the issue. 

[Gerry Hamilton]

Just now, Jimmy McNulty said:

Lol no. I thought Sean miller was going to come into the richest athletic dept in the nation and craft a team in the top 60 in year one. Don’t think that’s asking too much

So did UConn, so did Florida, so did St. John's, so did Ole Miss, so did Illinois, so did UCLA

Honestly, probably better for you to not watch or care. It doesn't feel healthy for you to watch program builds in hoops. 

[Jordan91]

1 minute ago, Gerry Hamilton said:

It's not about what you have, it's about where the NIL average spend has gone in hoops. 

Kentucky, Duke, Louisville and some others are about twice as much as Texas right now. Others are 60-70% more than Texas.

That's not an excuse for Texas players fouling on three freaking 3-pointers tonight too, however. Dumb plays that cost games. 

Yes the portal money went to sheer lunacy after he got here. Still my question remains. Does Texas want to be a serious basketball program or just make money?

[Shmatt]

1 minute ago, Jimmy McNulty said:

Yet each of the last 5 head coaches at Texas made the ncaa tournament their first year. Seems like miller is intent on setting all sorts of the wrong kind of history in his inaugural season

This is also a different Era, Beard inherited good talent from Shaka and we were still kinda mid that year, 13 losses and a 10-8 league record. Rt was carried by what left over by Beards roster and barley made the tournament with way better teams than what we got right now.

Miller is inheriting a way worse team than our previous coaches.

[Jimmy McNulty]

2 minutes ago, Gerry Hamilton said:

So did UConn, so did Florida, so did St. John's, so did Ole Miss, so did Illinois, so did UCLA

Honestly, probably better for you to not watch or care. It doesn't feel healthy for you to watch program builds in hoops. 

Of those teams, maybe Florida has the spending power of Texas. Maybe. 
 

if those other teams can outspend Texas with ease, then it’s clear Texas has not prioritized basketball under cdc and never will. Hence why he should be sidelined when they hire the next replacement after this dud is fired and pockets millions in the process. 

[LonghornFan4Ever]

Indiana, a basketball school, got tired of being a doormat in football and decided to do something about it.  Look at them now.  Maybe Texas MBB has that same wake up call that Indiana football did.

[Shmatt]

Just now, Jimmy McNulty said:

Of those teams, maybe Florida has the spending power of Texas. Maybe. 
 

if those other teams can outspend Texas with ease, then it’s clear Texas has not prioritized basketball under cdc and never will. Hence why he should be sidelined when they hire the next replacement after this dud is fired and pockets millions in the process. 

Idk it’s almost like CDC is working within a budget from the school itself…

If we really weren’t serious than RT and even Shaka would still be our coach rn

[Jimmy McNulty]

2 minutes ago, Shmatt said:

This is also a different Era, Beard inherited good talent from Shaka and we were still kinda mid that year, 13 losses and a 10-8 league record. Rt was carried by what left over by Beards roster and barley made the tournament with way better teams than what we got right now.

Miller is inheriting a way worse team than our previous coaches.

Pretty sure beard only inherited a handful of guys. Cunningham, Ramey, Jones and Febres are the only ones I can remember sticking around. Texas had a something like 8 transfers, most of which were intended to have a major role

Miller clearly just took a handful of guys from Xavier then lazily got the rest while he enjoyed nights out with his wife at Sammie’s and Commodore Perry

[Jimmy McNulty]

Just now, Shmatt said:

Idk it’s almost like CDC is working within a budget from the school itself…

If we really weren’t serious than RT and even Shaka would still be our coach rn

And sadly, both are a substantial upgrade over the dud Texas has now

[Gerry Hamilton]

Just now, Jimmy McNulty said:

Of those teams, maybe Florida has the spending power of Texas. Maybe. 
 

if those other teams can outspend Texas with ease, then it’s clear Texas has not prioritized basketball under cdc and never will. Hence why he should be sidelined when they hire the next replacement after this dud is fired and pockets millions in the process. 

UConn has a much bigger basketball budget than Texas. St. John's too (they don't play football) to name two. Illinois is more than competitive in basketball. UCLA is very competitive in basketball (pretty much a basketball school at heart). 

Florida similar to Texas. Why Todd Golden had to build his program over a three year period (not predicting Texas to win an NC to be clear, as no coach ever has at Texas). He was tremendous in evaluation at HS level that didn't require huge NIL spends at the time. Now he's having to get in the high-level NIL battles, and we shall see if they are equipped long term. If not, he will leave in time IMO

[Gerry Hamilton]

Wildly entertaining hoops thread. Love it 

[Shmatt]

1 minute ago, Jimmy McNulty said:

And sadly, both are a substantial upgrade over the dud Texas has now

Yeah no not even close lmao, Shaka flamed out this year in a worse conference. And RT lost to Xavier with a way better teams than what Sean Miller had😂.

[Jimmy McNulty]

Whatever. Hope y’all enjoy the CBI

We all learned tonight that Sean Miller is never making the second weekend of the tournament. TBH he’s probably done after missing it entirely 3/4 years

[817 Boxing B]

We got hosed... plain and simple. So sick of poor officials in college athletics.  The Texas-Michigan game was the icing on the 🎂.. this crap was the 🍒 on top... in front of people we're tryna impress. Any of the officials from anywhere close to our rivals? Maybe they wanted to sabotage the portal visits??! 🤦🏿‍♂️🤢🤘🏿

[Jordan91]

1 minute ago, Gerry Hamilton said:

UConn has a much bigger basketball budget than Texas. St. John's too (they don't play football) to name two. Illinois is more than competitive in basketball. UCLA is very competitive in basketball (pretty much a basketball school at heart). 

Florida similar to Texas. Why Todd Golden had to build his program over a three year period (not predicting Texas to win an NC to be clear, as no coach ever has at Texas). He was tremendous in evaluation at HS level that didn't require huge NIL spends at the time. Now he's having to get in the high-level NIL battles, and we shall see if they are equipped long term. If not, he will leave in time IMO

He knows basketball and what it takes. I agree it will be him leaving. And if he does that, good luck getting any serious coach here. He can do this with the portal and good marketing. They have to give him that. Great job finding Matas and Wilcher. Heide and thinking Codie had improved is where I find it hard to believe what he was seeing. I don’t think he looked at the returning players and said that’s enough to win. I can only guess that it was funds related. 

[Jordan91]

4 minutes ago, Gerry Hamilton said:

Wildly entertaining hoops thread. Love it 

It is fun. 

[MJW2327]

10 minutes ago, Jimmy McNulty said:

Of those teams, maybe Florida has the spending power of Texas. Maybe. 
 

if those other teams can outspend Texas with ease, then it’s clear Texas has not prioritized basketball under cdc and never will. Hence why he should be sidelined when they hire the next replacement after this dud is fired and pockets millions in the process. 

Hashtag! Long time no see bud

[Gerry Hamilton]

2 minutes ago, Jimmy McNulty said:

Whatever. Hope y’all enjoy the CBI

We all learned tonight that Sean Miller is never making the second weekend of the tournament. TBH he’s probably done after missing it entirely 3/4 years

If it happens, it will be the first time in Miller's career he didn't lead a program he coached at to the second weekend of the tournament.

So far, he's 3 for 3.

Maybe he will end up 3 of 4. Or maybe he will end up 4 of 4. Time will tell. 

[817 Boxing B]

Coach Miller did a great job tonight, regardless of the comments here. Swain got hosed on those last 2 foul calls.. and Pope as well on that 3. This team needs more from Wilcher if you wanna see em compete, and Lassore or Nic Cody need to be viable options, on both ends, in clean up duty, which may be too much to ask. Heide is going to be up and down offensively.. as so Weaver, so anything they give you besides defense and toughness are a plus. Pope gets tired late... hurts his jumper. He needs to learn to play with more pace. Hubbard was a prime example of being smaller but playing with pace.. and a dominant handle. The transfer from Georgetown was just heady, and with the poor officials, he stole free throw buckets, just like Arizona St did against us in the Maui Invitational. I can see what Miller wants to do.. but Gerry's right, we're building. We gotta recruit.. and its gonna take a few cycles, just like it did Sark.

[MBHORNSFAN]

8 minutes ago, MJW2327 said:

Hashtag! Long time no see bud

I think you're correct here. 

[jkates]

1 hour ago, Gerry Hamilton said:

You foul on three late clock 3-point attempts, you always deserve the loss. 

My 10 year old daughter was yelling "Don't let 12 shoot" right as Traore let him shoot late in regulation. 🤦🏻‍♂️

[jkates]

My bitching on this thread aside, Miller is the real deal. I'm optimistic as he continues forward. 

[CoachBobbyFinstock]

4 hours ago, Jordan91 said:

Have you seen his team this year?

What he had going on in Austin was going to be awesome.  He blew it and he’s gonna have a tough time at Ole Miss. Both parties lost.

[AusMOJO]

I'm no Basketball expert, but even I can tell this team is struggling defensively. I can also recognize that this is Coach Millers first year, I think we all figured there would be growing pains. Gerry had been mentioning this before the season even started. 

We'll see how the season plays out but he has to figure something out defensively or you're going to lose a lot more of these games. 

Look forward to seeing what he does moving forward and giving him a chance to build something. Can't just expect instant success, even in this NIL era. 

[ChanmanV]

The issue with this team is pretty clear. We can’t defend and when we do defend, we keep fouling. It’s a defensive IQ and technique issue with almost all of the guys on the roster. The effort is there but at this level, that’s not enough. Honestly the guys could learn a lot from watching our women. Watching Lee, Booker, and Harmon defend is beautiful to watch. The attention to detail and intention on defense is much better. You can tell most of our guys have not been taught the proper footwork, hand position/discipline, and leverage particular off picks. It’s a product of AAU not teaching these guys proper defense early so Miller and staff gotta either recruit more Europeans or teach and develop these guys more defensively. 

Offense is not a problem right now but we won’t win any games in the SEC giving up 100pts. That’s just the reality this year. 

Edited yesterday at 12:53 PM by ChanmanV