Per Chris Carter - Manning Family set Arch up

[Go Horns JC]

Per Chris Carter sportscast: Arch chose UT Sark because Sark committed to convert Arch to a pocket passer. Arch's natural system is RPO / Running Qb. Papa Archie is focused in protecting Arch from injuries. Sark and UT are in a pickle. Per Chris Carter, Arch's is underdeveloped as a pure pocket passer. It could be due to the OL or RB. What do you think?

[4thandFive]

Arch doesn’t seem to have the, as @Gerry Hamilton calls it, “innate” football prowess to be that sort of a QB.

Edited 2 hours ago by 4thandFive

[Alex Butler]

No wonder he’s struggling Hard to be a pocket passer when you don’t have protection and are seeing ghosts AND you don’t have a background in that system. Once again Garrett Gilbert 2.0

[DanielOnorato]

Same stuff every year. If Texas loses a game or two it's the QBs fault. Y'all did same thing to Quinn. 

[AustinsTruth]

4 minutes ago, DanielOnorato said:

Same stuff every year. If Texas loses a game or two it's the QBs fault. Y'all did same thing to Quinn. 

The fan base is doing some revisionist history with Quinn this year. He was NOT good his last year at Texas. There's a reason he was drafted where he was. 2023 was Quinn's best year, he never touched that in 2024. 

[Alex Butler]

Just now, DanielOnorato said:

Same stuff every year. If Texas loses a game or two it's the QBs fault. Y'all did same thing to Quinn. 

True, and the same development issues came up with Quinn unfortunately. I’m not all on Arch. My biggest gripe with him is the turnovers in the 4th quarter. That’s just inexcusable. Not ready to bench him just yet, especially because OU should’ve been a win if our special teams could block in punt pro and we don’t have two penalties that created chances for OU to score. Last week was on Arch some and in Sark for not just keeping the shirt game going and not punting at midfield going into halftime. 

[Alex Butler]

1 minute ago, AustinsTruth said:

The fan base is doing some revisionist history with Quinn this year. He was NOT good his last year at Texas. There's a reason he was drafted where he was. 2023 was Quinn's best year, he never touched that in 2024. 

I would argue he was killing it against Michigan and was rolling at UTSA then never got it back after his injuries. Too many turnovers that year for him too and we would do the same disappearing act for 2 quarter that we are doing now. 

[HalfmileHorn]

Arch plays like Grandpa, not a pocket passer. Needs to be on the move. 

Edited 2 hours ago by HalfmileHorn

[DanielOnorato]

4 minutes ago, AustinsTruth said:

The fan base is doing some revisionist history with Quinn this year. He was NOT good his last year at Texas. There's a reason he was drafted where he was. 2023 was Quinn's best year, he never touched that in 2024. 

I was all in on Quinn just like I am with Arch. Play calling and scheme must improve. These guys are capable, especially at the college level. Coaching has been elementary at best. 

[jcash02]

It's very obvious we're seeing a Garrett Gilbert 2.0 situation.

Gilbert was suited for a wide open spread system and Mack tried to box him up and fit him into an under center drop back system.

Arch is clearly a dual threat running QB who needs his legs to get him going and even taking a few hits to get his competitive fire activated. (Josh Allen style)

Instead Sark has him stationary in the pocket like he's Peyton. 

No bootleg roll outs, no zone read RPO's, no direct QB draws etc.

Sark's mismanagement of Arch will be a legendary blunder remembered for decades. 

[Big Tex]

8 minutes ago, jcash02 said:

It's very obvious we're seeing a Garrett Gilbert 2.0 situation.

Gilbert was suited for a wide open spread system and Mack tried to box him up and fit him into an under center drop back system.

I think it's debatable (at best) if GG was ever a good QB in any system. I know he had a stint in the NFL and one decent year at SMU, but on the whole he was never a consistently good QB. Arch has looked like a great QB at time, including the second half of last season. I think he still has first round potential wheres GG never did once we saw his results at the colleagiate level.

[GoHorns1]

Two 5 star QBs same issues….

[Beldar]

58 minutes ago, Go Horns JC said:

Per Chris Carter sportscast: Arch chose UT Sark because Sark committed to convert Arch to a pocket passer. Arch's natural system is RPO / Running Qb. Papa Archie is focused in protecting Arch from injuries. Sark and UT are in a pickle. Per Chris Carter, Arch's is underdeveloped as a pure pocket passer. It could be due to the OL or RB. What do you think?

And he knows this how. Did he send this out while taking out trash?

 

[zmo1017]

I find it very hard to believe that his "natural system" includes RPO when RPO's require quick processing that Arch clearly doesn't possess. Second drive of the game ended when he misdiagnosed a would be TD on a 3rd down RPO and had to settle for a field goal. I guess it's possible the TE didn't know what he was doing and miraculously ran himself wide open?

[Beldar]

27 minutes ago, HalfmileHorn said:

Arch plays like Grandpa, not a pocket passer. Needs to be on the move. 

Would like to see him roll out more with run or pass option. Pocket passer with free blitzers and collapsing pockets not easy even for elite NFL QB. Hope coach changes to dink and dunk and more run or pass options. Got to do something.  Teams have figured out to blitz and make they prove you can make them pay. Tenn did it to Bama and Russell looked Arch.

 

[Longhornlove]

Going back to the message @Bobby Burton relayed yesterday about being flat footed or not on his toes, try playing shortstop on your heels. No one will be successful in that situation.

[Longhornlove]

2 minutes ago, Beldar said:

Would like to see him roll out more with run or pass option. Pocket passer with free blitzers and collapsing pockets not easy even for elite NFL QB. Hope coach changes to dink and dunk and more run or pass options. Got to do something.  Teams have figured out to blitz and make they prove you can make them pay. Tenn did it to Bama and Russell looked Arch.

 

If you roll him out, he shouldn't be on his heels right?

[MBHORNSFAN]

52 minutes ago, DanielOnorato said:

Same stuff every year. If Texas loses a game or two it's the QBs fault. Y'all did same thing to Quinn. 

 

Have you not seen all the film breakdowns of game tape of Arch? It is pretty bad..... So I guess EVERYONE IS WRONG..

[Rockin TL]

5 minutes ago, MBHORNSFAN said:

 

Have you not seen all the film breakdowns of game tape of Arch? It is pretty bad..... So I guess EVERYONE IS WRONG..

The whole offense is a systemic failure, no matter the personnel. These failures existed during 2023 and 2024 as well. 

Edited 1 hour ago by Rockin TL

[MBHORNSFAN]

8 minutes ago, Rockin TL said:

The whole offense is a systemic failure, no matter the personnel. These failures existed during 2023 and 2024 as well. 

 

2023 Yards per game 475 ranked 9

2024 yards per game 437 ranked 21st

 

2025 . Yard 388 70th

2026 361 93rd

 

23 and 24 were also playoff years

 

Amd this

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by MBHORNSFAN

[ZmoneyJD14]

I think people need to get past the premise that arch was an amazing QB who is failing because of the lack of development and or poor offensive scheme/ play around him 
 

if you accept the premise that he was never that good to begin with, I think that will bring clarity to you. I think the data now points to him not being good rather than being impacted by outside external factors 

Edited 1 hour ago by ZmoneyJD14

[4thandFive]

20 minutes ago, MBHORNSFAN said:

 

Have you not seen all the film breakdowns of game tape of Arch? It is pretty bad..... So I guess EVERYONE IS WRONG..

This. As much as I celebrated his arrival and championed having the young man play- the film breakdown clearly shows Arch isn’t currently firing on even half of his cylinders right now on the field.

[MBHORNSFAN]

1 minute ago, 4thandFive said:

This. As much as I celebrated his arrival and championed having the young man play- the film breakdown clearly shows Arch isn’t currently firing on even half of his cylinders right now on the field.

 

I don't discount other issues but the biggest and most glaring is Arch. 

[TexShoe]

I believe this narrative.  Manning camp's main objective is to develop Arch as an NFL QB, and not to win at Texas.   This was their position all along and was their stated reason for committing to Texas, because of Sark's history of QB development.  Arch's reluctance to run also supports this position, because that's not standard NFL QB play.  

[Rockin TL]

28 minutes ago, MBHORNSFAN said:

 

2023 Yards per game 475 ranked 9

2024 yards per game 437 ranked 21st

 

2025 . Yard 388 70th

2026 361 93rd

 

23 and 24 were also playoff years

The systemic issues that have existed for years are as follows:

- Short yardage inability

- Poor redzone efficiency

- Run game consistency, abandoning of the run and not committing

- Physicality, lines get out beat physically, even by lesser competition and smaller fronts

- Stalling of the offense after opening scripts

- 3rd quarter offense

- Falling in love with home run shots at the expense of consistency

- Prioritizing pass blockers when the HC insist on physical run game

- Predictability in playcalling

- Poor WR blocking as a whole, outside of Whittington