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drag worm Senior

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At this point the coaches have to be parallel pathing a plan in case this is just not an in-season fix with Arch.

IMO you keep working with him through this weekend but at some point the team and the season goals are the priority. 

So what’s the contingency if he lays another egg this weekend or in Gainesville? 

Mine would be to work KJ into the gameplan starting this weekend. Give him a few series in the 2nd and the 4th. See how he does under the lights. Then spend the entire two weeks prior to Florida giving them something extra to game plan for, and maybe continue to use Lacey as a change of pace to come in for Arch. 

If the wheels do eventually fall off for Arch this season, at least we’re getting some critical experience for KJ.

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I’d take a page from Nick Saban from a few years ago. Split the quarters of Manning and Caldwell at this point. Give manning a very short leash and if he’s the same then pull him and split the quarters with Caldwell and Lacey. SHSU is really bad, there is absolutely zero reason for anyone to struggle vs  them

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drag worm Senior

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I just don't see what Caldwell gets us that we can't get from Lacey. Unless we really think Caldwell is capable of an SECCG / CFP run, if Arch is out you're basically building for 2026. 

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I’m not sure what you do.  Caldwell at least has started 5 college games and has over 400 passing attempts.  Presumably he has some talent or he wouldn’t be QB2 now.

I have no idea what Lacey (or Owens) really bring to the table.  My tendency is to go with the more experienced guy but would ultimately have to defer to the coaches, which is somewhat scary considering the current situation.  

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drag worm Senior

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5 minutes ago, LonghornFan4Ever said:

Let Arch cook


For a certain amount of time, yes. But there’s too much invested in the success of this program from an NIL standpoint, fan investment and the considerations of every other player on the team for this entire season to turn into 12 games of teaching Arch how to play again. At some point you rip the bandaid which brings in the contingency planning. 

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If they think KJ is 100% the guy post Arch, then keep him warm and ready to go now. 
 

im curious what would happen if things just totally came off the rails to the point where Arch just couldn’t take the heat from the fans and media and he transferred to somewhere like Tulane in the offseason. 
 

would they be looking to roll with KJ or get someone high end out of the portal that could lead to KJ and other transferring. 

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27 minutes ago, CoachBobbyFinstock said:

Repeat this after me….Arch Manning will not get benched. No chance.

You better pray he figures it out. That is the contingency plan.

Everyone has a plan until they start out 0-2 in SEC play and 3-3 on the season. 

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I’m willing to bet my house that no QB other than Arch Manning will see non-garbage time minutes this Saturday. Nor should they. 
 

The solution that Nick Saban did in 2023 is not applicable to the Arch situation. Arch is having a mental/confidence issue. The solution to a mental/confidence issue is not to bench your QB. Jalen Milroe’s issue in 2023 was not the same. It wasn’t even really an issue for Milroe- we were just really good with a good defense. 
 

SHSU is not the same as SJSU or UTEP. SJSU and UTEP were nobodies, but with a pulse. You don’t lead the nation in negative plays and sacks like UTEP unless you have at least a slight pulse/capacity to be disruptive. I don’t think SHSU even has the capacity to be disruptive. 
 

This will be the closest to “running on air” that the offense has got. Which is exactly what I think they need. At this point, they need a true layup game with long TDs, etc, backups in by the 3rd Q. I think we can get that and I think it’s critical. 
 

If we can get that, I think that plus the bye week will give them what they need vs Florida. Then a win vs Florida, even if it’s close, will give them what they need to take on OU. 

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You ride Arch out and hope to see him return to last year's level of play and continue to improve and progress. Only three games in and people want him out. It couldn't get any worse than this past weekend unless your name is DJ Lagway. 

Contingency plan is change the offense to a running scheme with options and depend on kicking and special teams to grind out close games. 

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22 minutes ago, drag worm said:

Everyone has a plan until they start out 0-2 in SEC play and 3-3 on the season. 

I hear what you are saying. I really do. But do you honestly think Sarkisian has the balls to bench a Manning. Sorry I don’t.

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I am reserving judgement until after this weekend.  San Jose State and UTEP are not terrible teams.  Everyone knew UTEPs defense was much improved and had the most TFLs coming into that game.  We also had some injuries.  
 Sam is just barely a D1 team and what talent they had got pillaged.  I think Arch will probably look good against Sam.  But if he doesn’t —a lot of things will need to change. 

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Sorry, I'm not putting Lacey out there, as a true Fr. If Caldwell is good enough to be a game manager and get the ball to WR's and make the easy throws, that is good enough for the season. That is honestly all you need so far, Arch has struggled to just hit guys wide open and yes our WR's are getting open. That 4th& 3 he threw the INT on, he had Livingstone open for the 1st down conversion, was looking right at him and reversed and went back to the other side of the field....for no reason. Endries open on a little TE quick hitch, that you're supposed to get out quick, he see's it, hesitates and it nullifies the ability for the TE to get up field and make any plays.

So many passes, not just in this game, that he is just not putting in a spot for a guy to make a play. Look at his last pass to Clark, that is a gimme play...missed it. 

I honestly don't know what his problem is, but if he's struggling this much against sub-par competition, the teams ahead on our schedule are going to eat him alive. 

drag worm Senior

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34 minutes ago, CoachBobbyFinstock said:

I hear what you are saying. I really do. But do you honestly think Sarkisian has the balls to bench a Manning. Sorry I don’t.


In a vacuum, no, I don’t think Sark has the balls to do it, but there is a point between now and a 3 and 9 record this season that he’d have to. 

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3 hours ago, drag worm said:

At this point the coaches have to be parallel pathing a plan in case this is just not an in-season fix with Arch.

IMO you keep working with him through this weekend but at some point the team and the season goals are the priority. 

So what’s the contingency if he lays another egg this weekend or in Gainesville? 

Mine would be to work KJ into the gameplan starting this weekend. Give him a few series in the 2nd and the 4th. See how he does under the lights. Then spend the entire two weeks prior to Florida giving them something extra to game plan for, and maybe continue to use Lacey as a change of pace to come in for Arch. 

If the wheels do eventually fall off for Arch this season, at least we’re getting some critical experience for KJ.

Thoughts?
 

 

@CJ Vogel @Bobby Burton 

@Jeff Howe @Gerry Hamilton

What happened, sunshine?

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drag worm Senior

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11 minutes ago, horns96 said:

You posted the sunshine thread last night, now you’re in panic mode?  🤘

Ahh, no. Just curious about the contingency planning for this season. My hope and dream is still fully aligned with the sunshine and roses option that he pulls off a Colt like sophomore year and goes on to do great things next year. 

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