4th and 2

[AustinsTruth]

We have a coach that just said 3 weeks ago he was brought here to win, and even Saturday said he was hired because he was a good offensive play caller. He is being paid over $11 million dollars this year and was given an offensive roster that he hand picked that is worth probably around 10-15 million dollars...Then in a rivalry game, on 4th and 2 in the 4th quarter, he thinks it's acceptable to say we didn't have a play that he was more confident would be successful than a 52 yard field goal attempt. I don't think anyone thought the kicker was gonna make that kick, I sure didn't. To go to the press and say you don't have an answer to get 2 yards just shows how he has no feel for the game during the game. You have a top 5 offensive roster in the entire country, you are supposed to be a top 5 OC, you have had a bottom tier offense for 3 straight years, to say that you are good at calling plays still is just ignorant. Something has to change or 2023 is the ceiling. 

[Alex Butler]

In a game like this you kick it. It was close but let’s not forget our defense answered the bell and got us the ball back and Spetic just barely missed that. 

[Jeff Howe]

Field goal was my third choice.

1. Punt, play defense and play to get the ball last. Worst case, you take it to overtime.

2. Go for it

3. Field goal

[Jeff Howe]

For me, in the OU game and that environment changes the calculus.

The momentum shift of a missed FG or a failed fourth down could break your back. Punt, play defense and force OU to execute coming off its goal line.

[Beldar]

56 minutes ago, AustinsTruth said:

We have a coach that just said 3 weeks ago he was brought here to win, and even Saturday said he was hired because he was a good offensive play caller. He is being paid over $11 million dollars this year and was given an offensive roster that he hand picked that is worth probably around 10-15 million dollars...Then in a rivalry game, on 4th and 2 in the 4th quarter, he thinks it's acceptable to say we didn't have a play that he was more confident would be successful than a 52 yard field goal attempt. I don't think anyone thought the kicker was gonna make that kick, I sure didn't. To go to the press and say you don't have an answer to get 2 yards just shows how he has no feel for the game during the game. You have a top 5 offensive roster in the entire country, you are supposed to be a top 5 OC, you have had a bottom tier offense for 3 straight years, to say that you are good at calling plays still is just ignorant. Something has to change or 2023 is the ceiling. 

If he had gone for it and got stuffed, the second guessers would have been beating the should have kicked field goal drum.  LOL

 

Edited 4 hours ago by Beldar

[Beldar]

10 minutes ago, Jeff Howe said:

Field goal was my third choice.

1. Punt, play defense and play to get the ball last. Worst case, you take it to overtime.

2. Go for it

3. Field goal

Hindsight 20-20 Bottom line is, we found a way to lose the game. Gave the damn game away. Sure hope we don't do that again. Not holding my breath.

 

Edited 4 hours ago by Beldar

[Assistant Regional Manager]

5 minutes ago, Jeff Howe said:

Field goal was my third choice.

1. Punt, play defense and play to get the ball last. Worst case, you take it to overtime.

2. Go for it

3. Field goal

Oh, I am going to have to totally disagree with that. A punt would have been the absolute worst decision. Especially knowing your kicker has hit from that distance already this year. What if you punt and it's a touchback? You gained a whopping 15 yards in field position. 

If you have that much faith in your defense, which we do, it's even more reason to go for it because defending from your own 35 shouldn't scare you. 

[AustinsTruth]

4 minutes ago, Beldar said:

If he had gone for it and got stuffed, the second guessers would have been beating the should have kicked field goal drum.  LOL

 

Missed field goal felt like a guarantee to me. I doubt I am alone in that. Either way, with how much the donors bought for the offense, including the coach, you should be able to get 2 yards. If you can't, at least they have to go 7 yards further. I felt like there was no chance that the kick was gonna be made. 

[Beldar]

Just now, AustinsTruth said:

Missed field goal felt like a guarantee to me. I doubt I am alone in that. Either way, with how much the donors bought for the offense, including the coach, you should be able to get 2 yards. If you can't, at least they have to go 7 yards further. I felt like there was no chance that the kick was gonna be made. 

Kid has been pretty good all year. 

 

[AustinsTruth]

4 minutes ago, Beldar said:

Kid has been pretty good all year. 

 

The momentum and feel of the game. I might be alone but I thought it was less than 50% chance he was gonna make it (he only was 60% from over 50 yards in career). 

[Mark Futrell]

Say what you want; the fact of the matter is that we should have never put the kicker in that position. Never! Go back through the sequence of plays and walk it through play by play just in that sequence. Should have never come to a 52 yard field goal.

[AustinsTruth]

4 minutes ago, Mark Futrell said:

Say what you want; the fact of the matter is that we should have never put the kicker in that position. Never! Go back through the sequence of plays and walk it through play by play just in that sequence. Should have never come to a 52 yard field goal.

Not gonna get an argument from me on that. I thought play calling/sequencing was greedy all game. The only chance Oklahoma had was creating havoc and big plays on defense/special teams. To come out and throw it a ton just increases their chances to make those plays. Could've ran it every play, scored 10 points and won 10-3. 

[hookem1014]

If he went for it there’s a pretty high chance he calls a play action roll out for Arch that takes 5 seconds to develop and turns into a sack. I’d also have to end up buying a new TV.

[AustinsTruth]

10 minutes ago, hookem1014 said:

If he went for it there’s a pretty high chance he calls a play action roll out for Arch that takes 5 seconds to develop and turns into a sack. I’d also have to end up buying a new TV.

Either a reverse toss sweep to Masunas for -5 yards or a TD pass for 35 yards. 80/20 who knows. 

[Zacharyhorn]

24 minutes ago, Mark Futrell said:

Say what you want; the fact of the matter is that we should have never put the kicker in that position. Never! Go back through the sequence of plays and walk it through play by play just in that sequence. Should have never come to a 52 yard field goal.

Exactly!  Texas was up 17-7.  17 to 7.  Never would have thought we would have blown that lead.  As so many have said, we gave them that game.  I think that is what hurts the most.  If it was a tight game the whole time like in 08, I could accept the loss.  But knowing Texas was the better team and just messed around until they scored enough points to win is the worst.

Edited 3 hours ago by Zacharyhorn

[Jeff Howe]

45 minutes ago, Assistant Regional Manager said:

Oh, I am going to have to totally disagree with that. A punt would have been the absolute worst decision. Especially knowing your kicker has hit from that distance already this year. What if you punt and it's a touchback? You gained a whopping 15 yards in field position. 

If you have that much faith in your defense, which we do, it's even more reason to go for it because defending from your own 35 shouldn't scare you. 

That’s fair. I also don’t blame Sark for not trusting the punt team to execute. 

[Tuco Ramirez]

2 minutes ago, Jeff Howe said:

That’s fair. I also don’t blame Sark for not trusting Banks to execute. 

FIFY for accuracy.

[4thandFive]

I think I’d rather have punted.

 

Either way…our QB gave away the game. Pick Six and INT when we were driving for a FG. Just disappointed.

[harveycmd]

Pitchforks and torches are the norm for fanbases these days.

[AustinsTruth]

4 minutes ago, harveycmd said:

Pitchforks and torches are the norm for fanbases these days.

I mean, it's been multiple years of the offense being bad. It's not some complicated thing either, it's obvious what the issues are. Demanding improvement is required to win anything in this sport, refusing to do it means you will get passed, rapidly. 

[watty7796]

While the debate of what should have been done in this particular situation noone has mentioned that given the talent and expectations this offense has...should have never been this close to start with.  For the multiple 3 and outs, turnovers, etc Texas gave this game to BlowU.  They came in unprepared period.  Probably the worst performance this season.

[Waxahorn]

In my opinion a team that is preparing for a championship year must have a few plays in their bag that they have confidence in to gain 2 yards.

[Alex Butler]

1 hour ago, Jeff Howe said:

For me, in the OU game and that environment changes the calculus.

The momentum shift of a missed FG or a failed fourth down could break your back. Punt, play defense and force OU to execute coming off its goal line.

Actually I change my answer to this

[Thorn007]

19 seconds left we let them complete 2 sideline passes to get in fg range. A lil blame goes there. Cowboyesque

Edited 2 hours ago by Thorn007

[Big Tex]

Absolutely would not trust this punter. He has the slowest kicking motion I've seen in some time and the blocking has been abysmal. I think kicking the FG was the right call and the kicker was damned close.