Mack Brown is a Giant Crybaby Pt 337

[horns96]

2 hours ago, HookemTexas said:

It’s because of recency bias, which is natural.  If Mack rode off into the sunset without doing anything deemed negative or complaining, people would have remembered him for the great years that he brought.

Instead, people remember him fighting his way out and allegedly sabotaging the program to not be able to hire Saban who won more championships at bama.

The Saban stuff is a message board legend, hasn't @Gerry Hamilton said as much?

"I knew a guy that worked in mortgages in 2013 that knew a tile sub-contractor that was dating Saban's wife's realtor's pool guy that said...."

 

[Hashtag]

1 hour ago, CHorn427 said:

The only thing wrong with my statement is syntax. Apologies. The point stands- without Brady, Belichick has been an average to below average head coach. Brady won without Belichick, Belichick did not win anything significant without Brady. 
 

Andy Reid is far and away the more accomplished HC in my eyes compared to Belichick. 

Without Vince, Mack is fired. See how stupid it sounds?

[harveycmd]

I think a lot us are ambivalent about Mack. He won a title, and he was a great recruiter. He should have won several titles, and he should have beaten Stoops far more often. 

Belichick is doing more than enough to make a fool of himself in his dotage. Mack should remain silent on that.

[Bobby Burton]

12 hours ago, Bobbers said:

Mack deserves the criticism as much as the credit.   

Very fair. He got paid for the job and slings and arrows are part of it. 

[Bobby Burton]

7 hours ago, horns96 said:

The Saban stuff is a message board legend, hasn't @Gerry Hamilton said as much?

"I knew a guy that worked in mortgages in 2013 that knew a tile sub-contractor that was dating Saban's wife's realtor's pool guy that said...."

 

Gerry has debunked some of it. Gerry says he doesn’t think Saban would have followed through and actually gone to Texas. 

[Oldest Horn]

8 hours ago, southpaw said:

Bias much?

Belichick was not a head coach for 29 years without Tom Brady.  That's a bullshit statement.

Belichick was only a NFL head coach for a TOTAL of 29 years, and 20 of them were with the Patriots coming while Tom Brady was also there.

So, Belichick and Brady were together for 20 of Belichick's 29 years as a head coach.  He had a winning record in 2 of the remaining seasons (1-4 with the Browns and 1-3 with the Patriots).  Not good, but not the incorrect BS you wrote.

So 2-7 rocks? Cool…

[Oldest Horn]

25 minutes ago, Bobby Burton said:

Gerry has debunked some of it. Gerry says he doesn’t think Saban would have followed through and actually gone to Texas. 

Correct. Think Saban turned down a job only because the predecessor was being difficult about leaving?

[Red Five]

2 hours ago, Oldest Horn said:

Correct. Think Saban turned down a job only because the predecessor was being difficult about leaving?

He was never officially offered the job in the first place. 

[Thanos72]

17 hours ago, Hashtag said:

And people wonder why some of us Texas fans want this giant self absorbed cry baby away from Texas football. 
 

 

 

So we’re crying about mb crying? 

The right people see him for who he is and wouldn’t let him impact the program today.

Someone in his inner cycle continuously lets him down. These quotes don’t help anyone but they kinda ensure he won’t have much weight here if he is involved. 

If he could make peace and be a perpetual fundraiser, I think he’d be a hit. Kissing babies, story regaling, brand reinforcing, etc. 

The pasture is hard to reconcile after a life of high success and being in charge. 

He’s earned some rope but not a seat at the final table imo. 

[MBHORNSFAN]

Mack did a lot of good for our university and I will always be thankful for that. But no doubt he could be very petty. 

[Oldest Horn]

1 hour ago, Red Five said:

He was never officially offered the job in the first place. 

The only official offer comes after all the details are sketched out, negotiated and agreed upon. 

[southpaw]

4 hours ago, Oldest Horn said:

So 2-7 rocks? Cool…

I guess reading comprehension is a challenge for you.  The last sentence literally says it's not good.  But it sure as hell isn't the 2-27 that was stated in the post I responded to.

I don't have a problem with the premise. It's valid.  But the 2 out of 29 statement is blatantly wrong.

[southpaw]

12 hours ago, CHorn427 said:

The only thing wrong with my statement is syntax. Apologies. The point stands- without Brady, Belichick has been an average to below average head coach. Brady won without Belichick, Belichick did not win anything significant without Brady. 
 

Andy Reid is far and away the more accomplished HC in my eyes compared to Belichick. 

I absolutely agree with this.

[southpaw]

12 hours ago, CHorn427 said:

The statement should read, over the course of 29 years as a HC, Belichick has had two winning seasons during which Tom Brady was not his QB. And zero division championships or playoff wins. 

First of all, I agree that Belichick rode Brady's coattails.  Your statement above is correct, although your premise is stronger if you point out Belichick is 19-1 with Brady on the team and 2-7 without him.

By the way, the "1" was in Brady's rookie season when he didn't sniff the field and Bledsoe was the starting QB.  And in Brady's second year, Bedsoe got injured and only played in two games - both were losses.  Brady took over and led them to the first Super Bowl win.

When you look at it that way, it accentuates your original premise.

[TexShoe]

You people that still harbor some kind of grudge against Mack need to get a life.  He left the program a mess, but he was solely responsible for getting us back to the promised land.  And when he dominated, which was majority of his tenure, he was as dominant as anyone else.  Even after being shown the door, Mack has continued to be an ambassador for Texas.  

We don't know if Mack really opened his mouth here.  Frankly, for someone that's as media savvy as he is, it would surprise me to see him do that.  This Belichick situation is a pure sht show.  He should just sit back, get something good to drink, and enjoy in silence.

[Jeff Howe]

1 hour ago, Thanos72 said:

If he could make peace and be a perpetual fundraiser, I think he’d be a hit. Kissing babies, story regaling, brand reinforcing, etc. 

The pasture is hard to reconcile after a life of high success and being in charge. 

He’s earned some rope but not a seat at the final table imo. 

I couldn't have said it better myself.

[Oldest Horn]

46 minutes ago, southpaw said:

I guess reading comprehension is a challenge for you.  The last sentence literally says it's not good.  But it sure as hell isn't the 2-27 that was stated in the post I responded to.

I don't have a problem with the premise. It's valid.  But the 2 out of 29 statement is blatantly wrong.

Syntax issues aside, everyone understood the context. 

[TexasMDcoach]

I love Mack Brown and what he did at the University.  Yes, his ending here was poor.  But I will always be thankful for the way he turned this program around and the class he showed in doing so.   I think even though wiser unsaid on his part, the comments attributed to him about the difference in support the new coach has received relative to his are probably true.  Part of that may be on him as an aging coach for the program being slow to adapt to the changes in college football> My guess is if Mack had pushed hard enough, I can't see him not convincing their administration or donors.  He has always been golden with the donors. 

Edited 4 hours ago by TexasMDcoach

[CHorn427]

14 hours ago, Hashtag said:

Without Vince, Mack is fired. See how stupid it sounds?

As a HC, Mack Brown had 15 winning seasons to 5 losing or .500 seasons prior to VY as a full time starter, then 11 winning seasons to 3 losing or .500 seasons after VY.

That is not analogous to Belichick/Brady. Brown was still a significantly above average HC without VY. 

[CHorn427]

14 hours ago, Hashtag said:

Without Vince, Mack is fired. See how stupid it sounds?

So Mack is has had 26 winning seasons to 8 .500 or below seasons without Vince.

No coach’s success is more tied to one player than Belichick. 

[Hashtag]

1 minute ago, CHorn427 said:

So Mack is has had 26 winning seasons to 8 .500 or below seasons without Vince.

No coach’s success is more tied to one player than Belichick. 

Mack only won big games when he had Vince or Colt to a lesser extent. Mack was absolutely owned by the best coaches in the conferences he was part of. He's an above average HC that struck lightning with Vince. He was about to be fired had Vince not carried him to a title.

[TexShoe]

4 minutes ago, Hashtag said:

Mack only won big games when he had Vince or Colt to a lesser extent. Mack was absolutely owned by the best coaches in the conferences he was part of. He's an above average HC that struck lightning with Vince. He was about to be fired had Vince not carried him to a title.

VY was generational talent, and I'm guessing your assertion was that Mack gravy-trained VY's success and called it his own. 

Colt was a 2-3 star nobody that at one point, won more games than any other QB in college football.  Does Mack deserve credit here?

[jkates]

22 hours ago, Hashtag said:

And people wonder why some of us Texas fans want this giant self absorbed cry baby away from Texas football. 
 

 

 

I don't wonder why y'all think that. It's obvious y'all are miserable and incapable of moving on and wishing someone well. It's weird and juvenile, but we can't stop you. 

Edited 1 hour ago by jkates

[CHorn427]

18 minutes ago, Hashtag said:

Mack only won big games when he had Vince or Colt to a lesser extent. Mack was absolutely owned by the best coaches in the conferences he was part of. He's an above average HC that struck lightning with Vince. He was about to be fired had Vince not carried him to a title.

Mack was 6-9 vs Bob Stoops. That is not as lopsided as it feels to you. That’s 2 games not going your way away from 8-7. 
 

What’s your opinion on Kirby Smart (owned by Saban) or Ryan Day (owned by Michigan), then? Dabo Swinney was getting owned by Jimbo Fisher until he wasn’t. Jim Harbaugh was getting owned by tOSU until he wasn’t.  
 

Just because a coach is not Saban-level dominant (which is video game level dominant), does not mean he’s not a good coach. 
 

Mack finished the 2 seasons prior to VY stepping foot on campus with 11 wins and in the top 10 in the country. He may have been on the verge of being fired like you say (highly doubt it). If he was, that’s not an indictment of him. That’s an indictment of out of touch fans like you. 

[CHorn427]

23 minutes ago, TexShoe said:

VY was generational talent, and I'm guessing your assertion was that Mack gravy-trained VY's success and called it his own. 

Colt was a 2-3 star nobody that at one point, won more games than any other QB in college football.  Does Mack deserve credit here?

Another factor when comparing success of college HCs and NFL HCs: college HCs have to literally win the commitment of their players. Pro HCs literally get lucky sometimes with guys falling into their lap, which is true for Brady and Belichick more than any player in NFL history. 
 

Even if VY was the only reason for Mack’s championship (he wasn’t), Mack still literally had to recruit and earn VY’s commitment, and deserves credit at least for that. Belichick was just the lucky schmuck who took a 6th round flier on a chubby QB from Michigan. 

Edited 1 hour ago by CHorn427