OTF Premium Handling Arch Until Further Notice (Monday AM)

[Red Five]

31 minutes ago, MBHORNSFAN said:

 

Who do you suggest they play at QB? 

The backup is normally a good place to start. But if not Caldwell, then Cole Brevard. 

[Hashtag]

1 hour ago, CJ Vogel said:

What about this 9 OL look? lol

Spoiler

 

[Hashtag]

59 minutes ago, Red Five said:

You can't scheme around a QB who can't make simple throws to wide open dudes standing right in front of him. The solution to that is to switch quarterbacks.

The only way it could get worse is if the backup turned the ball over more but other than that you literally cannot get much worse. 

[Longhornlove]

1 hour ago, Atticus said:

The Mannings probably don’t want Arch taking all those hits. But their family name is taking some massive hits with the way he’s playing right now. 

It's literally the only thing he's good at currently.

[Red Five]

1 minute ago, Hashtag said:

The only way it could get worse is if the backup turned the ball over more but other than that you literally cannot get much worse. 

We either fix whatever it is that's wrong with Manning in the next two weeks, or we have to make a change at QB. We can't go into conference with this QB playing like this. 

And yeah, probably the most shocking player performance in the 40-ish years I've been watching Texas football.

[MBHORNSFAN]

4 minutes ago, Hashtag said:

The only way it could get worse is if the backup turned the ball over more but other than that you literally cannot get much worse. 

 

So you want to bench a first year starter after 3 games?  If you do that you are basically giving up on him.    

[MBHORNSFAN]

1 minute ago, Red Five said:

We either fix whatever it is that's wrong with Manning in the next two weeks, or we have to make a change at QB. We can't go into conference with this QB playing like this. 

And yeah, probably the most shocking player performance in the 40-ish years I've been watching Texas football.

 

And what do you suggest if Sark does not bench him? 

[Red Five]

Just now, MBHORNSFAN said:

 

And what do you suggest if Sark does not bench him? 

Enjoy going 6-6?

[Hashtag]

Just now, MBHORNSFAN said:

 

So you want to bench a first year starter after 3 games?  If you do that you are basically giving up on him.    

He's in his 3rd year in the program, there are QB's much younger than him performing much higher than him. He can't even complete simple passing routes so yes if he plays like crap again vs SHSU he should be benched and it should be likely for the season. Continuing to throw him out there with his mental issues isn't going to make them any better, in fact it will only further those mental issues.

[MBHORNSFAN]

Just now, Red Five said:

Enjoy going 6-6?

 

Probably so... And then what?   

[MBHORNSFAN]

Just now, Hashtag said:

He's in his 3rd year in the program, there are QB's much younger than him performing much higher than him. He can't even complete simple passing routes so yes if he plays like crap again vs SHSU he should be benched and it should be likely for the season. Continuing to throw him out there with his mental issues isn't going to make them any better, in fact it will only further those mental issues.

 

Right or wrong I can see Sark dying on the Hill with Arch... We shall see....   I just want to win games. 

[HookedOnTF]

2 hours ago, CJ Vogel said:

Given how QB1 has played, I am not sure the drop off to QB2 would be as significant as we would have expected entering the season.

Arch is tough, he enjoys running the football. Utilize his legs.

To clarify, can Caldwell or Owens play the Haynes roll?

 

If not, do you go to Lacey if Arch goes down? 

Or, if the drop-off to QB2 isn't much, do you just not implement the Haynes plan, making it easier for QB2 to come in with the preferred scheme?

 

Your approach makes perfect sense given the situation, but I'm not sure it's a season long solution.

[HookedOnTF]

2 hours ago, MBHORNSFAN said:

What is amazing fans have gone from Arch should be starting over Ewers to Arch should be benched in less than a year...

A year ago, we thought a mobile Joe Burrow was wasting away on the sidelines while a future 7th rounder plateaued. There are new datapoints. Hopefully misleading and incomplete but nevertheless can't blame our fans. Everyone inside a college blueblood or NFL lockeroom knows the reality of tape is worse than the distasteful fan boos, Sark and Arch and Taaffe essentially acknowledged it. 

 

[rgvhorn80]

Question for @CJ Vogel @Bobby Burton @Gerry Hamilton. Given that Arch is going up against a very good defense in practice, was there rumblings of these issues in practice already before the season started? I can’t imagine that he’s tearing it up in practice against the UT defense and then completely stinking it up against UTEP and other lesser (SJSU) opponents.

[Migas & Fajitas]

The offense is working. Our QB's accuracy is off. The kid started and beat Mississippi St and UTSA last year. He played well in both. He played with moxie against the Aggies and with guts against Georgia last year. I've watched enough videos of him throwing to moving targets with great accuracy. It isn't like he just forgot how to play football. This has to be mental; between the ears. You do not take him out or try to change him. He is already running the ball some. I don't think you change anything. You rally around him. That's my opinion. 

[Thorn007]

 

[hookem1014]

One thing I noticed in the highlights was that TD throw to Wingo. Great ball placement by Arch there, but if you watch his mechanics top to bottom they’re on point. No side arm, turns his hips, and isn’t flat footed. The ability is there and I’m sure he does that in practice as well. Only explanation I can think of is the yips. Sark and Milwee need to get him back to that confidence he had last year in his 2 starts. 

[Bunk Moreland]

Dumb question: should Sark get Arch warmed up by calling a bunch of early deep shots? Just like he warmed up Quinn by calling a bunch of short, quick throws and screens, which was Quinn’s comfort zone, I wonder if it would get Arch going to hit a couple of deep shots. Sark barely called any deep shots in the first half against UTEP, but maybe that would actually benefit Arch. Some combination of giving him 7-10 designed runs and 5-10 deep throws a game might get him some success and feeling a rhythm.

Edited 1 hour ago by Bunk Moreland

[syracusehorn]

3 hours ago, MBHORNSFAN said:

What is amazing fans have gone from Arch should be starting over Ewers to Arch should be benched in less than a year...

Last season, Arch played with confidence and was growing into a really good player. Not being the starter and not having all the outrageous expectations put him in a good place mentally. This year is not last year. Not sure why that is so difficult to understand.

[Tuco Ramirez]

1 hour ago, Thorn007 said:

 

Great. Arch is now DJ Ukulele.

[_everyoneshere]

2 hours ago, MBHORNSFAN said:

 

Who do you suggest they play at QB? 

 

[whereiend]

4 hours ago, CJ Vogel said:

Given how QB1 has played, I am not sure the drop off to QB2 would be as significant as we would have expected entering the season.

Arch is tough, he enjoys running the football. Utilize his legs.

I think that a QB being "protected" from hits is a luxury that the QB must earn by being invaluable in the passing game.

What Arch has shown thus far is that his legs are his best attribute and the passing game is middling at best. Until that changes it's nonsensical to avoid QB runs for the sake of protecting him. He either needs to sit on the bench or do what the team needs to win games, and that is use his legs.

If the passing game turns around then we can reevaluate this later.