OTF Premium Handling Arch Until Further Notice (Monday AM)

[Red Five]

31 minutes ago, MBHORNSFAN said:

 

Who do you suggest they play at QB? 

The backup is normally a good place to start. But if not Caldwell, then Cole Brevard. 

[Hashtag]

1 hour ago, CJ Vogel said:

What about this 9 OL look? lol

Spoiler

 

[Hashtag]

59 minutes ago, Red Five said:

You can't scheme around a QB who can't make simple throws to wide open dudes standing right in front of him. The solution to that is to switch quarterbacks.

The only way it could get worse is if the backup turned the ball over more but other than that you literally cannot get much worse. 

[Longhornlove]

1 hour ago, Atticus said:

The Mannings probably don’t want Arch taking all those hits. But their family name is taking some massive hits with the way he’s playing right now. 

It's literally the only thing he's good at currently.

[Red Five]

1 minute ago, Hashtag said:

The only way it could get worse is if the backup turned the ball over more but other than that you literally cannot get much worse. 

We either fix whatever it is that's wrong with Manning in the next two weeks, or we have to make a change at QB. We can't go into conference with this QB playing like this. 

And yeah, probably the most shocking player performance in the 40-ish years I've been watching Texas football.

[MBHORNSFAN]

4 minutes ago, Hashtag said:

The only way it could get worse is if the backup turned the ball over more but other than that you literally cannot get much worse. 

 

So you want to bench a first year starter after 3 games?  If you do that you are basically giving up on him.    

[MBHORNSFAN]

1 minute ago, Red Five said:

We either fix whatever it is that's wrong with Manning in the next two weeks, or we have to make a change at QB. We can't go into conference with this QB playing like this. 

And yeah, probably the most shocking player performance in the 40-ish years I've been watching Texas football.

 

And what do you suggest if Sark does not bench him? 

[Red Five]

Just now, MBHORNSFAN said:

 

And what do you suggest if Sark does not bench him? 

Enjoy going 6-6?

[Hashtag]

Just now, MBHORNSFAN said:

 

So you want to bench a first year starter after 3 games?  If you do that you are basically giving up on him.    

He's in his 3rd year in the program, there are QB's much younger than him performing much higher than him. He can't even complete simple passing routes so yes if he plays like crap again vs SHSU he should be benched and it should be likely for the season. Continuing to throw him out there with his mental issues isn't going to make them any better, in fact it will only further those mental issues.

[MBHORNSFAN]

Just now, Red Five said:

Enjoy going 6-6?

 

Probably so... And then what?   

[MBHORNSFAN]

Just now, Hashtag said:

He's in his 3rd year in the program, there are QB's much younger than him performing much higher than him. He can't even complete simple passing routes so yes if he plays like crap again vs SHSU he should be benched and it should be likely for the season. Continuing to throw him out there with his mental issues isn't going to make them any better, in fact it will only further those mental issues.

 

Right or wrong I can see Sark dying on the Hill with Arch... We shall see....   I just want to win games. 

[HookedOnTF]

2 hours ago, CJ Vogel said:

Given how QB1 has played, I am not sure the drop off to QB2 would be as significant as we would have expected entering the season.

Arch is tough, he enjoys running the football. Utilize his legs.

To clarify, can Caldwell or Owens play the Haynes roll?

 

If not, do you go to Lacey if Arch goes down? 

Or, if the drop-off to QB2 isn't much, do you just not implement the Haynes plan, making it easier for QB2 to come in with the preferred scheme?

 

Your approach makes perfect sense given the situation, but I'm not sure it's a season long solution.

[HookedOnTF]

2 hours ago, MBHORNSFAN said:

What is amazing fans have gone from Arch should be starting over Ewers to Arch should be benched in less than a year...

A year ago, we thought a mobile Joe Burrow was wasting away on the sidelines while a future 7th rounder plateaued. There are new datapoints. Hopefully misleading and incomplete but nevertheless can't blame our fans. Everyone inside a college blueblood or NFL lockeroom knows the reality of tape is worse than the distasteful fan boos, Sark and Arch and Taaffe essentially acknowledged it. 

 

[rgvhorn80]

Question for @CJ Vogel @Bobby Burton @Gerry Hamilton. Given that Arch is going up against a very good defense in practice, was there rumblings of these issues in practice already before the season started? I can’t imagine that he’s tearing it up in practice against the UT defense and then completely stinking it up against UTEP and other lesser (SJSU) opponents.

[Migas & Fajitas]

The offense is working. Our QB's accuracy is off. The kid started and beat Mississippi St and UTSA last year. He played well in both. He played with moxie against the Aggies and with guts against Georgia last year. I've watched enough videos of him throwing to moving targets with great accuracy. It isn't like he just forgot how to play football. This has to be mental; between the ears. You do not take him out or try to change him. He is already running the ball some. I don't think you change anything. You rally around him. That's my opinion. 

[Thorn007]

 

[hookem1014]

One thing I noticed in the highlights was that TD throw to Wingo. Great ball placement by Arch there, but if you watch his mechanics top to bottom they’re on point. No side arm, turns his hips, and isn’t flat footed. The ability is there and I’m sure he does that in practice as well. Only explanation I can think of is the yips. Sark and Milwee need to get him back to that confidence he had last year in his 2 starts. 

[Bunk Moreland]

Dumb question: should Sark get Arch warmed up by calling a bunch of early deep shots? Just like he warmed up Quinn by calling a bunch of short, quick throws and screens, which was Quinn’s comfort zone, I wonder if it would get Arch going to hit a couple of deep shots. Sark barely called any deep shots in the first half against UTEP, but maybe that would actually benefit Arch. Some combination of giving him 7-10 designed runs and 5-10 deep throws a game might get him some success and feeling a rhythm.

Edited 3 hours ago by Bunk Moreland

[syracusehorn]

3 hours ago, MBHORNSFAN said:

What is amazing fans have gone from Arch should be starting over Ewers to Arch should be benched in less than a year...

Last season, Arch played with confidence and was growing into a really good player. Not being the starter and not having all the outrageous expectations put him in a good place mentally. This year is not last year. Not sure why that is so difficult to understand.

[Tuco Ramirez]

1 hour ago, Thorn007 said:

 

Great. Arch is now DJ Ukulele.

[_everyoneshere]

2 hours ago, MBHORNSFAN said:

 

Who do you suggest they play at QB? 

 

[whereiend]

4 hours ago, CJ Vogel said:

Given how QB1 has played, I am not sure the drop off to QB2 would be as significant as we would have expected entering the season.

Arch is tough, he enjoys running the football. Utilize his legs.

I think that a QB being "protected" from hits is a luxury that the QB must earn by being invaluable in the passing game.

What Arch has shown thus far is that his legs are his best attribute and the passing game is middling at best. Until that changes it's nonsensical to avoid QB runs for the sake of protecting him. He either needs to sit on the bench or do what the team needs to win games, and that is use his legs.

If the passing game turns around then we can reevaluate this later.

 

[TTown]

4 hours ago, MBHORNSFAN said:

 

Right or wrong I can see Sark dying on the Hill with Arch... We shall see....   I just want to win games. 

Your loyalty is admirable , delusional at times but aren't we all. Time will tell if Arch gets sat down awhile, it won't ruin him if he is the competitor we think he is etc. Good to see you chime in finally since you been AWOL from IT since this pathetic excuse for an offense Sat 🤣🤣. Just work on those tailgates and leave the analysis to others for real!! 

[Bdub12]

7 hours ago, CJ Vogel said:

Opinion on how to use Arch Moving Forward

Through three weeks, I think it is more than fair to say the Texas offense remains a work in progress. The learning curve has yet to narrow and oddly after playing UTEP, I feel like there are more questions and unknowns than after playing Ohio State.

Still, that does not mean the season is over, nor does it mean there can't be redeemable qualities for the Texas offense.

I am certain the offense does not look as bad as it did on Saturday if DeAndre Moore, Emmett Mosley V, Tre Wisner and CJ Baxter were healthy. That is four of your top six playmakers sidelined to injury and it is week three. Additionally, I am sure the play of Arch Manning improves as well with those playmakers on the field.

But until that happens, Texas has to work with what they have on the field – and with what the quarterback is currently giving you as well. 

Which is where I wanted to go with this point. 

I have long said you only need 24 points to win games at Texas over the last two years with the way the defense has been constructed.

••• In fact, since the beginning of 2023, the Longhorns are 25–2 when they score 21 points or more. Contrarily, Texas is 2–4 when they score less than 20 points. •••

Come SEC play on the first weekend of October, Texas is going to be met with SEC level talent on the defensive side of the ball. The issues we have seen offensively will be magnified if they are not cleaned up.

However, I do think there is a remedy in here for the Texas offense. And it includes the usage of Arch Manning.

This is not the gunslinger that was expected. You cannot have ten conseuctive incompletions and expect success in football games in the SEC. But you can have success with Arch's legs.

I mentioned in postgame videos over the weekend that Texas may need to turn Arch Manning into Haynes King. At first it was an off the cuff that I didn't necessarily believe wholeheartedly. But the more I rewatched the Texas game this weekend and more I saw of games elsewhere across the country, the more I found myself buying into the sentiment that Arch Manning may just need to become Haynes King offensively.

King, a junkyard dog of a quarterback, is tremendous with his legs. There is grit in his game and a toughness not often found given his workload in the running game.

On Saturday morning, Georgia Tech and King upset Clemson 24–21 with King eclipsing 100 rush yards on 24 rush attempts. 

Georgia Tech's final possession ended in a 55-yard game-winning field goal where the Jackets traveled 38 yards on 10 plays to get into field goal range. On those ten snaps, five were designed runs for King who racked up 18 yards. It was ugly, but it worked.

On the afternoon, King ended up 20-28 passing for 211 yards, no touchdowns and no interceptions. Given the struggles and inconsistencies of the Texas offense and Arch Manning specifically, I think we would all take a day like that against a top 25 team.

Now, it is up to Arch to complete the easy passes. The quick curls, the checkdowns, etc.

But our @Rod Babers pointed it out on Sunday, there is a transition to using Arch Manning's legs more than we have ever seen with a Sarkisian-coached quarterback.

Again, 25–2 are the Texas Longhorns when scoring 21 points or more dating back to 2023. 

Texas can get to 21 points in SEC play with the legs of Arch Manning and Sarkisian opting to take the points when presented in the red area. 

Who knows, maybe there is some confidence that returns to Manning's game with his arm if this approach is taken. As a result, maybe something clicks with his arm and the passing game returns to what was expected in the preseason. If that is the case, that is tremendous. But I can not sit here and type to you that that is going to happen.

Texas is running out of time to experiment ahead of SEC play. But you know the legs of Manning are a weapon and the kid is a tough cookie.

Swallow your pride, Sark. Until further notice, it is time to crown Arch the next Haynes King.

Georgia Tech OL is better than Texas OL though

[MBHORNSFAN]

20 minutes ago, TTown said:

Your loyalty is admirable , delusional at times but aren't we all. Time will tell if Arch gets sat down awhile, it won't ruin him if he is the competitor we think he is etc. Good to see you chime in finally since you been AWOL from IT since this pathetic excuse for an offense Sat 🤣🤣. Just work on those tailgates and leave the analysis to others for real!! 

I'm not loyal to anyone except winning. And I'll opine and give analysis if I want. And don’t worry the tailgate is always fun.